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Amanda Black is the founder of The Solo Female Traveler Network, a global community empowering women to explore the world with confidence and connection. With over a decade of experience in immersive travel and community design, Amanda has helped thousands of women break out of their comfort zones and find belonging through adventure. Her passion for creating transformative group experiences has taken her across the globe — from remote villages to vibrant cities — always in search of meaningful human connection.
She’s also the creator of Kindred Community, a series of women-only retreats built around authentic bonding and personal growth. Amanda is a TEDx speaker whose talk, “Shared Firsts: Redesigning How We Find Belonging,” explores how strong relationships form through shared new experiences. Whether she’s leading a group trip or covered in sawdust in her woodshop at home in San Diego, Amanda brings creativity, empathy, and a deep belief in the power of community to everything she does.
Show Summary
In this episode of the Big World Made Small Adventure Travel Podcast, host Jason Elkins speaks with Amanda about the transformative nature of solo travel and the power of women supporting women on the road. Amanda opens up about how a personal loss led her to explore the world alone — and eventually inspired her to build the largest solo female travel community in the world.
From the early challenges of organizing her first group trip to designing soulful connection retreats, Amanda shares insights into what makes travel truly life-changing. She and Jason discuss safety, resilience, and how real connection often comes not from finding your people, but from creating shared firsts with strangers who become lifelong friends.
Key Takeaways
- ✓ The Solo Female Traveler Network connects over half a million women worldwide
- ✓ Solo travel can be a powerful and safe experience for women
- ✓ Community helps travelers feel supported and confident
- ✓ Amanda’s journey began as a response to personal grief and transformation
- ✓ Group trips offer deep emotional connections and shared experiences
- ✓ Organizing tours comes with both logistical challenges and profound rewards
- ✓ Perceptions of safety are often shaped more by fear than fact
- ✓ Connection retreats focus on vulnerability, joy, and authentic bonding
- ✓ Travel is a tool for resilience, growth, and lifelong friendships
- ✓ Amanda believes meaningful connection comes from shared new experiences
What You’ll Find on The Solo Female Traveler Network
- Women-only group trips to over 20 global destinations
- A thriving online community of solo female travelers
- Kindred retreats designed for deep connection and fun
- Resources, safety tips, and empowerment for solo travel
- Authentic cultural experiences and support for women-led initiatives
Learn more about The Solo Female Traveler Network and connect with Amanda at:
https://thesolofemaletravelernetwork.com
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Jason Elkins (00:01.095)
Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Big World Made Small podcast for the adventure traveler. So happy to have each and every one of you back here today. Also super excited to have our guest today. She’s got a fascinating story and she’s doing something really cool. So I look forward to introducing her. We’ve got Amanda. We’ve got Amanda Black. She is the founder and owner of the Solo Female Traveler Network. Amanda, welcome to the show. Happy to have you here.
Amanda (00:26.168)
Thanks so much, Jason. I’m excited to be here.
Jason Elkins (00:29.053)
You know, I usually start with, OK, what is your business? Give us the 30 to 60 second elevator pitch. The name says a lot. mean, which is pretty cool. It’s not always the case. The name says a lot, but I want to go a little deeper. We’re going to go into your story, figure out how you got from where you were to where you are now. But before we do that, let’s really do give our listeners kind of an idea of what is the solo female traveler network, the part that’s not obvious so they can just kind of get a feel for what that’s all about before we get into your story.
Amanda (00:37.815)
Yeah.
Amanda (01:00.558)
The Solo Female Traveler Network is all about community. It’s about connecting women all around the world to identify or want to become a solo female traveler. I started this community about 10 years ago and about eight years ago, we started offering organized tours. So now we offer about 30 tours around the world every year to different
destinations, mostly destinations that are perceived as less safe or less logistically possible for women to travel on their own. So we are both community and tours.
Jason Elkins (01:35.347)
Okay.
Jason Elkins (01:38.961)
So the first thing that pops to my mind is community. That word community doesn’t always, we don’t always think of solo and community being in the same sentence. So I’d love to dig a little deeper into that because is this, you mentioned group tours, you mentioned community, but then you also mentioned solo. So is this for women that really want to travel solo or be part of a community?
Amanda (02:05.632)
It’s for both. you can’t, this is a really, really common question that we’re asked. You can be a solo traveler and also want to be part of a community. You can be both. And there are lots of different types of solo travel. You can go completely by yourself and you can do something crazy adventurous and go out into the wilderness of this, you know, really remote off the beaten path country and do everything by yourself.
You can also go on your own to a country join day tours and stay in hostels. That’s another kind of solo travel. You can also join a group of fellow solo female travelers and be taken on an incredible adventure where you don’t have to worry as much about your safety and about logistics and about planning and doing and seeing all of the most awesome things in that country. So I mean, yes.
No matter where you fall on that spectrum, we are a community for you before your travels, during your travels, after you travel to ask questions, to maximize your experience, to understand. This is probably the most important. Understand local customs in certain countries that may not be obvious, maybe different customs, different ways that you should dress to respect the culture, to be safe. So
And then also when you’re on, when you are traveling, when you’re by yourself, things can happen. You are a little bit more vulnerable when you’re totally solo. And so the community helps you solve those problems.
Jason Elkins (03:44.467)
So what I hear you saying, and I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but what I hear you saying is that whether you’re a, I don’t know, I don’t think you said true solo, but if I say true solo, like I’m going someplace by myself, in a sense, completely unassisted, maybe they’re booking their own flights, they’re booking their hostels, they’re doing everything on their own, all the way to maybe the solo traveler that travels as part of a group of your other clients.
So it sounds like you’re able to support and help and provide a community for everybody in that spectrum. Is that right? So that is what you said. Okay. All right. So it’s not necessarily. So even if you’re not booking anything for them, there there’s a community, they can come in and, and get ideas and learn about customs and stuff like this, whether they’re paying you to put together their trip or not. Right. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Do you find that
Amanda (04:21.134)
Totally correct,
Amanda (04:38.168)
Totally. Yep.
Jason Elkins (04:42.675)
women start out more in the go as part of a group or go as a solo? Is there a natural progression or is it this is that hard one to pin down?
Amanda (04:52.632)
That one’s harder to pin down because you have some people like me, my first solo trip was a one way ticket to Honduras, which is probably not really the most typical journey that someone takes. A lot of the advice that we usually give that I usually give to somebody starting solo travel is to do maybe weekend trips closer to home, do a road trip by yourself, go to a country that is perceived as safe for solo female travelers.
Jason Elkins (05:04.818)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (05:22.702)
as your first adventure. So a lot of women do that. And a lot of people assume that a trip like ours, these group trips for solo female travelers, that this is a way to start. And it is a way to start because you do kind of can get your feet wet and start to build these skills necessary for traveling solo, but also, especially for me.
I’ve been traveling solo for a long time and I still go on big trips all by myself. But as you do that for many years, it doesn’t get old but your lives, you my life has changed. So sometimes I want to go on a trip with women who I know I’m going to love spending time with. I know that I’m going to have the best time with them. We’re going to laugh a lot and we’re going to become really close and
Jason Elkins (06:03.195)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Amanda (06:18.772)
sometimes I want that instead of doing the thing all by myself.
Jason Elkins (06:23.249)
It makes sense because I can see where someone might initially think, I need to start with the group so I can get kind of get my feet wet, learn some things and get more comfortable. And then I can become a quote unquote true solo traveler. But that’s depends on your goal. If that’s your goal, I guess. But there’s a lot of value to going on a group trip with I’ve never been on an all women’s group trip.
I’ll probably never get invited, I’m sure. But I’ve worked in tourism for a while and I’ve led group trips where we’ve got a group of guys and their spouses and we sometimes do different activities. It’s been fun. I’ve learned a lot. But the point being that maybe someone’s done a lot of solo travel like you mentioned and there’s value and benefit to going with the group much more than just having somebody to organize everything or…
Amanda (06:50.89)
You
Jason Elkins (07:17.543)
having a schedule or having an agenda or safety in numbers or anything like that. It’s just pure human connection, which has to be huge, right? I mean…
Amanda (07:24.792)
Totally. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times people kind of assume that we are either all brand new solo travelers or we are all single. Neither of those things are true. In fact, a lot of our travelers are really experienced solo female travelers. I mean, like they’ve done all the things on their own and they come with us because A, they finally don’t have to plan it all and figure it out all on their own. They trust us with the
Jason Elkins (07:43.099)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Amanda (07:54.382)
the accommodation and local new like new local friends and experiences that they would have a hard time finding. And most importantly, it’s doing all this cool stuff with women who really get you. There’s nobody on this tour telling you, that sounds weird. Maybe you should come home now. Or telling you like, I don’t know if you should go into somebody’s home for dinner. You’ve never met them. You know, we we’ve met them. But like, it’s kind of just
Jason Elkins (08:08.999)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (08:14.163)
You
Jason Elkins (08:20.327)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Amanda (08:24.542)
being able to be your true self that way with people who get you and I’ve experienced the best connections and best friendships from this. I’ve witnessed the best friendships come from this and that is my favorite part about these tours, which is not what I intended in the beginning, but that is definitely how, what it’s become.
Jason Elkins (08:45.149)
We’re definitely going to get to in the beginning. And before we go there, mean, honestly, as I’m listening to you and I’ve, I’ve had this thought many times over the years, both working in, in tourism, but also the last four and a half years or so I’ve been traveling solo by myself and kind of living that not kind of lit. actually am living the nomad lifestyle. So everything I own is in my suitcase and, and
I’m completely dependent on wherever I end up to meet people to make connections and to just kind of, you know, get my needs for social interaction. And many times I’ve thought, you know, I would love to go on a group trip. But as a guy, there’s something different. And I want to touch on this because honestly, kind of think like all women’s or the ladies or the female group trips or whatever, I think they’re pretty cool compared to guys trips.
First of all, we don’t see a lot of companies out there offering guys trips. They might offer them as something different. They don’t brand it necessarily as a guys trip. It might be any number of stereotypes or whatever that we could use. But honestly, I probably would not really wanna join a guys group trip. I would much rather go join a women’s group trip, but I can’t. So that’s fine, whatever.
And then there’s also there’s also just mixed group mixed trips. I get that. Probably be more inclined to maybe do that. But even on those, sometimes you get a lot of couples and it’s or it’s more of a dating theme, which is not necessarily what I’m looking for. It’s probably not what some of the single women that are going on your trips are looking for. What do you think? Like, don’t even know if we want to touch on this, but have you worked with guys in the past? Do you have enough insight on why women’s trips are so much more fun than guys trips in my mind anyway?
Amanda (10:35.48)
have a lot of opinions on this.
Jason Elkins (10:37.043)
All right, great. Let’s go.
Amanda (10:42.776)
So yes, have, so we also do, do like group trip, like private group trips. And we don’t care what your gender is if we’re planning your private trip. So we’ve done bachelor parties before and we’ve done like just guy friend trips before. And those are, that’s a little different because those guys all know each other. They’ve been friends forever. But I think, you know, I understand that this trend is starting to happen.
where men, there’s a loneliness epidemic, they call it for a male loneliness epidemic. Some people call it a male accountability epidemic. And I think that with women, we are so programmed and used to and thrive on connecting with each other. do it, most of us do it easily and naturally, especially when we’re in the right container for it.
And we don’t need an excuse. Like we don’t need a cover story for us coming together and connecting. We just do. So I think men are a little different that way. And I’m no expert on, I’m no like anthropologist or societal whatever expert.
Jason Elkins (11:47.443)
you
Amanda (12:03.522)
But in my opinion, think men have not been taught and have not generally been given the permission to just to talk about their feelings with each other, to come together without a reason and a purpose, like a specific reason and purpose other than connection. And so I think that those two things are something that make women connect really fast and men don’t.
Jason Elkins (12:20.145)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Amanda (12:32.628)
naturally have that. So I know that there’s a lot of people trying to do male only retreats and men only like, you know, experiences and trips and stuff. Most of them
kind of lean into that purpose. might be like a lot of them are kind of aggressive, but some of them aren’t. like, you know, I mean, they exist. I’ll have to find you some names. I’m not that, but I’ve seen a lot and talked to some founders of these things where they, where it’s like about men expressing themselves, but like,
Jason Elkins (12:56.145)
What do you what do mean by that? Give me an I’m going to push it a little bit further. I’m going to be aggressive on that. Let’s go a little deeper.
Jason Elkins (13:13.937)
Amanda (13:14.688)
some men have so much anger and they don’t or they just don’t know how to express themselves other ways. So it’s a lot of like really tough stuff like bootcamp style shit and like yelling in each other’s faces and you know, that’s not connection. That’s one else. Anyway.
Jason Elkins (13:25.821)
Right.
Jason Elkins (13:32.455)
Well, it’s an interesting thing because you can say that’s not connection, but I think, you know, as a former veteran of the army, it’s weird. It’s strange guys. We just are weird because we will stand around in a circle and just give each other hell and just call each other names and mess with each other. And if you’re the one in the circle that nobody’s messing with, you feel disconnected.
they don’t like me. They’re not picking on me. But to women, that sounds totally weird. And I feel like women are more likely to book a trip where there’s on the itinerary. There’s like, we’re going to we’re going to get together. And I don’t know if you have a word for it, but just just kind of connect. I don’t know. Connection time would you put on your itinerary connection time? But if you put connection time on an itinerary for a men’s group, it’s like, I’m not going on that.
Amanda (14:23.896)
No.
Amanda (14:29.39)
That’s the thing though, we don’t need connection time, we just connect. But you know, there are some really amazing men who are creating spaces and experiences that are genuine and lower key and really do give men that space to just, not necessarily like trauma bond, but just be in each other’s space for no other reason than to have fun and like,
Jason Elkins (14:32.647)
Yeah, that just happens.
Jason Elkins (14:44.914)
Bye.
Jason Elkins (14:57.576)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (14:58.35)
So I hope that does become more mainstream. I would love for the whole world, no matter what your gender, to experience the things that women experience on these tours.
Jason Elkins (15:09.907)
I think so too. I think there’s some societal, we’ve kind of created some stories around how men and women interact with each other. And I was imagining, I imagine a lot of your guests or a lot of the members of your community, but also your guests on your group trips are part of a couple.
You know, they’re in a relationship, they’re not necessarily single. And then I imagine guys saying to their wives or their partners, hey, I want to go on this guys only trip. We’re going to Costa Rica. And there’s they’re going to get probably a little bit more pushback. But I don’t know, maybe maybe the women in your group, do they get pushback from their partners? Is that common? Do you guys talk about that?
Amanda (15:41.826)
Yeah.
Amanda (15:50.574)
I mean, we definitely talk about how partners feel about them coming on tours like this, but I cannot think of an instance where a partner has given pushback because it’s been all women. The only pushback is well, no, I have to take care of the kids for a week. But otherwise,
Jason Elkins (16:09.199)
wow. Interesting. Well, we should change the subject a little bit before either one of us get accused of anything. But you mentioned a word a few times or a phrase a few times when we started this conversation, you talked about countries or locations that are perceived as safe.
Amanda (16:20.366)
Before someone gets in trouble, yeah.
Jason Elkins (16:35.025)
I caught the word perceived. You didn’t say go to safe countries. If you’re starting out, you didn’t say anything. You said perceived and you use the word perceived a few times. So I’m curious based on your experience traveling and your experience spending time with women that maybe are on their first trip outside the country. Why are you using the word perceived? think there’s something beneath that. Let’s discuss it.
Amanda (16:58.634)
use the word perceived because even in a quote unquote safe country, things can happen. And when you go, you know, if I use the word unsafe to describe a country, that’s also not really fair because there are unsafe. A lot of times people use the term unsafe to describe a country when it’s really not actually unsafe. It’s just culturally very uncomfortable for them. And that’s a totally different thing. So I use the term perceived
because it’s more fair, that’s all.
Jason Elkins (17:32.327)
Okay. All right. That’s cool. And I, and I suspected or the connection I was making is sometimes we have opinions, ideas about places which you touched on that when we get there, we realize, wow, my perception was quite a bit different than the reality that I’m experiencing here. And I know you’ve had that experience and that may even come up when we get to the point of discussing your first trip, first solo trip to Honduras, but
There’s that perception is a big thing when it comes to travel and deciding where to go. And I don’t know. just, I caught the word perceived and I thought that was pretty interesting because you’re right. Every community, every country, every place has things that are look very unsafe, but it’s just uncomfortable. You know, it might be graffiti on the walls.
Amanda (18:22.232)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (18:24.977)
You know, if you’re not used to that and you go someplace and there’s a lot of graffiti or there’s barred windows over the shops that they close at night, that might just a holy cow. This place is unsafe. And that word has nothing. It doesn’t necessarily have any accurate reflection on what’s going on, but you know, it could be one of it could be the safest neighborhood and in Quito, but there’s graffiti on the walls and and you think it’s unsafe, but.
Amanda (18:44.227)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (18:53.927)
The locals are like, no, this place is great. This is one of the best neighborhoods in town. So it’s a lot of that, a lot of that.
Amanda (18:57.782)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And a lot of times a country can have, you know, get a bad rap for a very specific area in the whole country. It’s just this one spot that has some kind of high crime or terrorism or whatever. But a lot of times people don’t until they travel a little bit more, they don’t necessarily understand that while the travel advisory for that country may be high.
It’s actually just that one spot and the rest of the country is very well traveled and very, I’m using air quotes again, safe. And it’s a shame to throw away a whole country because of this one very small geographical area. So yeah.
Jason Elkins (19:44.435)
Absolutely. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in the last several years in Columbia. And I remember when I’ve probably when I started traveling full time, that was the first place I started because I’d had people in my life in the past who you can’t go there. That’s not safe. That’s not a safe place to go. There’s no way my husband is going there. So then at some point, some point she didn’t really care where I went. So that’s where I went. And
And immediately I was like, wow, there are so many people that will miss out on this type of opportunity because of these ideas, because of things they’ve seen in the past on the news. The news does a really horrible job of coming back later on and saying, look where they are now. Look how much this has changed and what has happened in the last 20 or 30 years. They just tend to ignore anything that’s positive and focus on the negative.
So that was one example for me. was just sitting there drinking coffee and eating croissants on the street thinking, my gosh, there are so many people back in the US that would never have this experience because of those stories and those ideas. But at the same time, you have to be smart. But that’s the same thing here in the US. I’m not sure, where do you live?
Amanda (20:43.246)
you
Amanda (21:03.352)
I live in San Diego.
Jason Elkins (21:04.859)
OK, so yeah, so San Diego is a great place. And if you want to find trouble in San Diego, I’m sure you know right where to go to find it. All right, so let’s let’s get into the history because I think what you’re doing is super super cool. I want to figure out how the heck you got into it. So how far back do we need to go, Amanda, to kind of get a feel for what prompted all this stuff and and ended up here?
Amanda (21:12.0)
Yeah, exactly.
Amanda (21:31.566)
I’d say, you know, so we’ve had the community about 10 years. And before I started this community, I was traveling solo. I was doing it in a very low key way because my mom was a big worrier and she was very scared anywhere I went and anything I did. I love, you know, I love my mom and I wanted to keep her from having, you know, some kind of stroke from all the worries. So.
Jason Elkins (21:47.059)
Hmm.
Jason Elkins (21:59.729)
Yeah, that’s nice of you.
Amanda (22:00.45)
my thanks. So I was traveling. But at one point, my mom got very sick. And when she did get sick, I quit my job and I left the country that I was living in to come be with her. And a few months later, she died. And so I was lost. And I realized though, I had nothing to lose anymore. I had
I had no job, no home really anymore. My mom was gone. So I bought my one way ticket to do whatever the heck I wanted. And so what I wanted was to go to Honduras and get my dive master certification. So that was my one way ticket. And I ended up backpacking through all of Central America, going to Cuba and India and Mexico. But along the way, I got
You know, few things happen. Sometimes things happen. Like you are a woman by yourself. I was broke. You know, things happen. But I got robbed in Mexico and that was sort of my last straw. like, I knew in a place like Cancun, I had just arrived and I knew that there in Cancun, there had to be plenty of amazing women, specifically women in that case, because I was, I was actually surrounded, it’s a long story, doesn’t matter.
Jason Elkins (23:03.219)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (23:27.854)
But I was surrounded by men, some of whom were not very good characters. And I just needed a woman. I needed like a BFF. I needed like bestie vibes or like mom vibes. I needed someone to help me get through this. And I knew that that existed, but I didn’t have a way to connect with them. So as soon as I replaced my computer, I started a Facebook group back when Facebook was really cool. And I grew that. And after a couple years, maybe a year and a half or so,
Jason Elkins (23:37.266)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (23:57.174)
I had at the time about 65,000 members and we were a really good community and we still are. But they were saying that they wanted to travel together. So at that moment I was living in Australia, super broke, working under minimum wage, under the table jobs, like just trying to get by.
So I was like, okay, I have some space on my credit card. Let me try to put this trip together. So it was to Bali. It was a one week trip to Bali for $1,000. And I got 17 women to sign up for that trip. I actually accidentally oversold it because I didn’t know what I was doing and I had to get a second villa, but it worked out. It was super fun.
Jason Elkins (24:44.723)
you
Amanda (24:50.496)
It was so good actually that nine of those women got our community symbol or our logo tattooed on that trip because the vibe was like so strong. It was really fun. And that was the first one. And so now eight years later, we do this in a bunch of countries and about 30 destinations or 30 departures a year at this point. So yeah, that’s the story.
Jason Elkins (24:58.439)
Wow.
Jason Elkins (25:14.055)
That’s so cool. I’d like to push it a little further back in time because I think there were probably a few things going on before, you before you said you’re traveling kind of under the radar before and your mom was sick and all that stuff, but.
What was going on when you were like younger? Did you imagine when you were like 12 that you wanted to go travel or were you reading national geographics? What was going on? Because I’ve heard a bunch of different stories and I want to kind of dig into yours.
Amanda (25:50.498)
When I was a kid, my grandparents bought me a subscription to National Geographic, actually.
Jason Elkins (25:55.732)
How did I know? It’s a common theme. I don’t know if you’ve noticed that, but it’s a common theme in this industry.
Amanda (26:02.808)
Yeah, that’s true. So maybe that planted a very early seed. And I do remember though being very young. I mean, maybe I was eight, maybe I was 12, definitely not a teenager yet, but I remember thinking to myself, I know I’m gonna live in a different country one day and speak a different language. I know it. And I would go to my parents and I love my parents. They are the sweetest, best people.
they’re also not the most like they’ve both traveled, but they’re not like travelers, right? Like they’re not like one time they bought a big screen TV instead of our yearly family vacation, not over it, but that’s, you know, like that’s how they go. I was so mad. I’m still mad.
Jason Elkins (26:39.677)
Great, right?
Jason Elkins (26:46.173)
Yeah, that’s that’s means for divorce right there. I’m done with you guys. I bet I can relate to that.
Amanda (26:59.822)
So that’s kind of who they were. So I would tell them these dreams of mine and they would tell me, they would say Mandy, what they call me, they’d say Mandy, one day when you’re retired, you can go to Europe for 10 days like the rest of us. And I was like, no, I need it sooner. And they said, okay, maybe when you graduate college, I got a computer, which is very generous, but anyway, I didn’t go to Europe. So yeah.
Jason Elkins (27:08.637)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (27:29.99)
wasn’t exposed to this. But what I was exposed to is moving a lot. We moved every couple years when I was growing up. So big change was very I was very accustomed to big change. So when it came time to, you know, finally start traveling on my own, move countries, start a business, little different, but you know, those big changes, I was already very wired to to handle those.
Jason Elkins (27:59.652)
It seems like, I mean, if you look at people that have not traveled, have no desire to travel, just, they just aren’t afflicted with this travel thing that you and I are afflicted with, oftentimes, a lot of it’s like, no, I’ve lived here my whole life. know all my friends here. This is the same house I’ve owned forever.
there maybe we even were maybe it’s changed now, but you know, maybe they’re even working at the same place that their parents worked at or whatever. And it’s just those patterns are kind of set early on in life. It’s like, am I somebody that’s open to change and getting up getting uncomfortable? Or, or do I value and do I value basically consistency and stability? Really what it comes down to? I think I’m kind of like you.
And I’m curious though, well, I’m just going to ask you, I’m curious, like, was there a particular reason you guys were moving? Was there something else kind of tied to that? Or is it just, just part of the way it worked out?
Amanda (29:06.478)
I have a lot of people think that my dad was in the military or something. He wasn’t he just had a he had a job that was kind of new. It was like a new industry and it’s he was also you know, I had boomer parents and boomers are
go with the job. when the job said go, we went. When the job, if he got laid off once when I was young, when I was young and, you know, he didn’t put his resume out in our city, he put it out into the country. And so whoever gave him the best offer, that’s where we went. So yeah.
Jason Elkins (29:41.844)
Okay, so on some level, it sounds like he and maybe your mom were open to some level of change, but also tied to a job. So there’s the consistency comes from the having a job. Having a job is a good thing, I guess I’ve heard. And some people value a lot more than others.
Amanda (29:57.548)
Yeah.
Jason Elkins (30:01.767)
but it sounds like they were at least he was willing to pick up and change houses and change scenery. Do you remember a particular place that you guys lived when you were young that maybe had any influence? Did you run into anybody from other countries or I mean, do you remember why you decided you wanted to go live in some other country and speak a different language?
Amanda (30:20.558)
No, I don’t know why. just, I just knew I, you know, when I was everywhere we lived, my parents, we lived in suburbs, and we lived in very middle class suburbs. So there, there wasn’t usually a whole lot of diversity, to be honest.
I mean, I was certainly exposed. My dad is actually a very, in his soul, a very adventurous person, very curious, very interested in a lot of things. He’s well-read. If he had lived a different life or maybe was born in a different decade, I think he would be a traveler.
beyond either of us. He has no like safety instinct.
Jason Elkins (31:11.299)
wow.
Jason Elkins (31:17.459)
But it sounds like based on the way you described your mom or in a little bit about you traveling, I’m guessing that she grounded him a little bit.
Amanda (31:25.858)
They were a good balance. So yeah, anyway, like I feel like I was kind of exposed to like saying yes and being curious and I get a lot of that from my dad. And my mom was a very emotionally intelligent, very kind, open, warm person. And so yeah, I guess curiosity on both sides.
Jason Elkins (31:51.676)
That’s super, super cool. What did you, what were you like interested in in high school? What were you studying? What did you think you were going to be doing with your life?
Amanda (32:01.794)
When I was in high school, I was into all of the things. I was doing drama. I was in the choir. I was on the newspaper for a minute. I was the president of everything I could be the president of. was skipping class all the time, but not like a bad kid. I would say, I have to go to the principal’s office because I have to discuss this event that we have coming up. I was that kind I was like a good bad kid.
Jason Elkins (32:17.139)
You
Jason Elkins (32:31.067)
A good bad kid. Have you heard of ADD, ADHD? I’m just curious. Good for you. I was speaking with somebody recently. They taught me a new word called multi-potentialite. And I was like, what the hell’s that multi-potentialite? you have potential in all these different areas and you really don’t want to focus on one and you’re just super curious and interested in everything. And you’ve got these multi-
Amanda (32:31.126)
I was really active.
Amanda (32:38.208)
I have heard of it. I don’t accept that.
Amanda (32:49.826)
Okay.
Jason Elkins (32:59.591)
potentialities or something. And I asked her, said, that sounds like a much nicer way of saying ADHD. She’s like, well, you know, whatever. Use the word however you want. But I’m not talking about you. I’m talking about me here, Amanda. So anyway, so what did you end up majoring in? Or what did you do after high school? I shouldn’t say major in but what what was the direction you you went initially for out of high school?
Amanda (33:05.454)
You
Amanda (33:22.678)
So I, after, you know, I was, studied music when I was in, like started taking voice lessons when I was young. And my, my major in college was vocal performance, but you know, huh. Wasn’t really.
Jason Elkins (33:36.766)
Do you know what, So was mine. So maybe that’s ADHD. I was the theater guy, the drama music guy. went to school, music and theater scholarship. So I think we’ve got some similarities. All right. So how long did you stick with that and how did that go?
Amanda (33:43.062)
That’s so weird!
Amanda (33:53.504)
Gosh, that’s so funny.
Amanda (34:01.708)
Well, you like I said in high school, I was very scattered and into all the things. It didn’t exactly just change when I was in college. So in college, I got really into not going to class. I loved the singing part, but you know, music theory was a drag. So anyway, like,
Jason Elkins (34:16.083)
You sound so much like me. my goodness. Okay.
Jason Elkins (34:24.839)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Amanda (34:29.498)
I didn’t I didn’t do great. Like I got a lot of good grades. But then you know, if a class had a attendance requirement, or you failed, then I failed. And my parents, I’m the first child. So they were very on top. They paid for my college too. So they were very on top of me. And they were like, hell no, you’re coming back home and you’re going to a different school because we’re not paying for you to go. You know? Yeah.
Jason Elkins (34:45.98)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (34:55.793)
fail out of music school.
Amanda (34:58.454)
which is, know, maybe I thought I think a little bit harsh, but like there I didn’t fail everything.
Jason Elkins (35:04.349)
Well, problem is, problem can be for some people. It’s like, even if you go to your parents say, I’m going to go study vocal music or theater. And even if you do really well and you graduate, they’re still probably not going to be that excited. So once you start to struggle, then it just is like a double whammy. We’re not going to pay for you to do that. If you were struggling, if you were in a chemistry program learning, you know,
Amanda (35:21.696)
No, that’s a really fair point. They were not thrilled about my choice in the first place.
Jason Elkins (35:33.595)
some, I don’t know, some sort of chemistry or science or math and you were struggling, they would have just encouraged you just keep going. You got this. Don’t, don’t give up.
Amanda (35:41.87)
He’s saying, have you met my brother? Because he majored in chemistry and he struggled and they left him in there. So mad.
Jason Elkins (35:47.54)
Yeah, this all sounds very familiar. think we’ve been living a parallel lives here. My brother, the computer technician, the computer expert, he’s really good. And I’m still trying to figure out where I’m going to go next. anyway. All right. So you came back to go to a different school. And what did you do then?
Amanda (35:59.726)
Yeah.
Amanda (36:09.858)
Yeah, so then I lived with my parents for a bit and I went to University of Cincinnati and I had to pick a different major and I folded under the pressure and I chose legal studies. So I ended up graduating with a degree in legal studies, which is useless unless you want to be a paralegal.
Jason Elkins (36:29.779)
okay.
Amanda (36:38.336)
So I didn’t know myself very well and thought that I would make a great lawyer. So I became a paralegal, went to law school, hated it, left law school after I completed my first year and left. And then ultimately I did go back to grad school twice and never finished.
Jason Elkins (36:43.08)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (37:07.054)
So I’ve spent more time in grad school than most, but I don’t have a degree. But ultimately I did study for one year. I did a master’s program in entrepreneurship, which was useless for entrepreneurship to be quite honest, but it was fun. So yeah.
Jason Elkins (37:27.197)
Very cool. Along the way, did you ever hear about this thing called Myers-Briggs Personality Assessment? Are you an ENFP?
Amanda (37:33.134)
Definitely.
Yes. That’s weird.
Jason Elkins (37:38.162)
Yes, I knew you were. There I, yeah, anyway, yeah, I can tell because some of my, yeah, okay. It’s the one, the one that I get, it’s like, I can tell there’s another ENFP. I’m like, you’re an AFP, you? And I’ve pretty much decided that like,
Amanda (37:49.294)
No one has ever actually guessed that right. That’s crazy.
Jason Elkins (38:04.421)
Statistically, they’re not that large of a group of people. But if you look at people that work in adventure and tourism, the type of thing you do, it’s like, yeah, it’s actually a really good fit. Because we’re kind of the, come on, let’s go, the promoter or whatever. Let’s make things happen. So anyway, I just got a hunch. All right. So where does that take us?
Amanda (38:15.096)
That’s interesting.
Amanda (38:24.802)
What’s up?
Jason Elkins (38:32.283)
You’re going to grad school a few times doing that type of thing, which relates. When did you mention that when your mom got sick, actually, you were living overseas. So take us to that point. Where were you? Where were you working? What were you doing? You don’t have to tell us all the details. I say to look on your face for those that don’t see her face. She’s looking for a way to sugar coat that because she already said she was trying to do this under the radar. So.
Amanda (38:43.736)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (39:01.021)
I’m not trying to embarrass you, but.
Amanda (39:01.07)
I was living in the Middle East.
Jason Elkins (39:05.297)
Mm-hmm. wow.
Amanda (39:09.058)
living in Israel. And I the only reason I hesitate saying that is because it’s such a polarized topic these days. And I don’t want to get into it. But that’s where I was living because that is the Jewish state. And I had gone there to do a like a volunteer program. And I volunteered for nine months.
Jason Elkins (39:26.321)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (39:37.294)
in an area that was very, it was obviously Jewish people, also Palestinian people. It was in the very, very north part of Israel. So it had a lot of Druze population as well. And so I volunteered teaching English to all of these communities. I also volunteered at a rape crisis center that also served all of these communities. And our program was
Jason Elkins (40:03.303)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (40:06.44)
very focused on understanding the conflict. So that’s what I did for nine months. And I really loved what I had been doing there. So I decided to continue doing it. And the only way I could do that was to move there. So that’s what I did. And so I lived in that area for a while. And I got a job
in marketing and voluntourism to bring more people to do what I did. And that’s kind of where I was. And then my mom got sick and I left everything like within a week.
Jason Elkins (40:50.355)
Was that your first excursion outside the country?
Amanda (40:55.482)
yes, Israel was the first country that I went to. yeah, that was my first country and it was because I was broke and there is a program. I was like, and that’s really broke 20 something year old because I had motor actions.
Jason Elkins (41:09.395)
You’ve mentioned that word a few times, you know that, right? That’s how I knew you were in the NFP because you kept using the word broke. Okay.
Amanda (41:23.288)
I mean, you know, cause we choose adventure over money like 100 % of the time. So yeah. But yeah, so I forgot what I was talking about.
Jason Elkins (41:26.427)
Yeah, yeah. huh.
Jason Elkins (41:38.516)
All right. So that was your, that was your first foray outside the country. was curious where there moments on that trip that you’re like, yeah, this traveling outside the U S thing is definitely because you’d mentioned earlier, you wanted to live in another country when you were younger and speak another language. Did you learn Hebrew or anything? Maybe already. I don’t know. But so was it like, yep, this is the, this is the thing. This is what I really want to be doing at some point. And I understand why you’d go back home. I get that.
Amanda (41:53.474)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (41:57.08)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (42:07.301)
you know your mom’s sick but did you kind of already know that yeah I’m gonna keep I’m gonna keep going
Amanda (42:09.974)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I definitely, I knew that I wanted to do a big, like multi country backpacky, like, exploration, I knew I was going to, but at the time, it wasn’t the right time, not only because my of my mom, but
It just wasn’t the right time. I hate to use the word broke again, but that is part of it and I needed some stability for a second. I needed some jobs some momentum so that was a good place for me at the time to gain some of that and then when my mom did die I Got a very small amount of money, but it was enough to get going and so that’s that’s when I went off
Jason Elkins (42:36.915)
You
Jason Elkins (43:00.487)
to Honduras. Had you been scuba diving before that or did you just know I’m going to go be a scuba? Was it scuba dive master or scuba instructor or what? Okay.
Amanda (43:08.364)
Yeah, I had my open water certification. yeah, I had done that. yeah, I just was like, why not?
Jason Elkins (43:18.355)
All right. Did you ever, did you then take that into the point of making money as a dive master or was, I know it was the plan. You and I are like, yeah, I managed to dive resort in Belize for a while. I know little bit about that stuff, but yeah, but for a, for a while until like, you know, got bored and decided I wanted to go do something else. Um, so, all right. Very, cool.
Amanda (43:26.176)
That was the plan, but no.
Yeah, yeah I get it.
Amanda (43:35.598)
you
Cool.
Jason Elkins (43:48.569)
And did you speak Spanish when you went to Honduras? Did you already know some Spanish or?
Amanda (43:53.588)
Yeah, like I learned, I took Spanish all through high school and college. So yeah, when I was in the, I went through almost all, only Panama. I just haven’t been to Panama, but otherwise I went through all of Central America and got to practice my high school and college Spanish. And so yeah, I do okay.
Jason Elkins (44:12.733)
Very, very cool. Do you, okay, so you traveled around a bit. I want to make sure we don’t miss any of the big things. Is there anything between that and when you were in Australia and you decided to take this group of ladies to Bali?
Amanda (44:27.212)
I mean, yeah, tons of things happened between that time. But no, lots of travel happened.
Jason Elkins (44:29.02)
I’m sure. Tell us a few.
It starts with I was broke. There was this one time when I was on a bus and I was broke. that was my story. Go ahead. So how did you so how did you end up in Australia?
Amanda (44:42.35)
Wow.
Amanda (44:50.926)
I hate to do this, but I’m going to switch locations because my battery drained really fast. So I have to plug in.
Jason Elkins (44:56.785)
All right, sounds good. Edit, edit, edit.
Amanda (45:10.862)
Okay, this is ugly,
Jason Elkins (45:14.429)
Just the sweater, the blue sweater, you can drop that on the floor maybe.
Amanda (45:19.544)
Why don’t I just, I’ll just shuffle this on the floor.
Now you know the temperature inside of my car.
Jason Elkins (45:26.995)
All right.
Edit, edit, edit. So how did you end up in Australia?
Amanda (45:37.038)
I had heard about the work holiday visa and I applied for it and I But what I was busy so I got it and I had time to go But I was you know, the cutoff is 30 years old and I was about to turn 30 or 31 whatever the cutoff is So I was like, well, I better go now. So I’m just gonna go over there real quick And then come back but I ended up
going there, struggling really hard, but liking it. And then I went to grad school, so I got on a student visa. And then I met a boy and I got on a partner visa. And then we broke up and I got kicked out of the country. So that was my stint in Australia.
Jason Elkins (46:22.277)
All right. But but while you were there, you had been building your community of solo female travelers and took your first group to to Bali. Was it an immediate like, yeah, this is how I’m going to maybe solve some of my broke problems and still travel?
Amanda (46:34.391)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (46:43.496)
No, I had definitely you know, I’m not gonna lie, I did have dreams. I remember I remember telling a fellow traveler when I was in Cuba, like, because you know how you bond with with travelers so fast. And I remember pouring my soul out about my God, wouldn’t it be amazing if we had this community and women could know what was safe and what was good and what was fun. And I had all these dreams. But
Jason Elkins (46:44.593)
No, okay.
Jason Elkins (46:58.118)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (47:11.862)
I didn’t expect to run group tours, but it was that my group said they wanted to meet each other in person. They wanted to travel together. And so I put this trip together and it was genuinely, I can say this now because we’ve had hundreds of successful tours since, but it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my career to this day. was, I had no idea what I was doing.
And worst of all, I thought that I did. I thought that you could have a little bit of experience in the travel industry and be a well-traveled person and be able to pull this off. And that wasn’t, that’s not true. It was really hard. And it was, a lot of things went really wrong behind the scenes. And it was, it was pure luck and a lot of willpower that this trip.
went to be, was as successful as it was. So when I was going through this, I was like, what the heck am I doing? And I will never do this again. But then when it was over and on the last day they got the tattoos and they told me what a great time they had and how many friends were made. Then I was like, yeah, I’m gonna do this again.
Jason Elkins (48:17.849)
Okay. Yeah.
Jason Elkins (48:27.015)
That’s, I don’t know if it’s for everybody, but I know it’s for me and I and I suspect it, maybe it sounds like it was for you, but that was the drug for me in the, in this adventure tourism space. You know, I had a balloon ride business for a while and I was a fly fishing guide and I ran a lot of group trips for, for a company. And frankly, I was always kind of uptight before like worried about, my gosh, what am I doing? Who the hell am I to be thinking I can be.
charging this kind of money for people to spend time with me to do this, that, that, that, then as soon as it was over, pretty much every time I was like, I’d get this rush and they, you know, the hugs, when the hugs came, you know, cause usually at the end of a group trip or a really good day out with clients, you’re guiding them doing something. There’s that hug. Like, my gosh, this was so cool. Wow. I can’t, you know, we got to do this again. Where are we going next? Jason? That’s when the dopamine and all the stuff hit me.
And I’d be like, yep, I’m going to keep doing this. One day before, when I was still in the middle of it, I’m like, I need to find a different job. This is stressful. my gosh, all these people are dependent on me and what am I doing? It sounds like you got that same thing. Do you still get that?
Amanda (49:46.838)
Yeah, you know, it’s funny it has changed quite a bit because I’m not the guide, right? I learned I’m a horrible guide. I’m just, I don’t have the patience as the good guides like it sounds like you that you guys have. And also I own the business. There’s a lot of things, other things going on. anyway, I am not a guide. So I don’t.
Jason Elkins (50:08.027)
Yeah. But you, but you go used, are you still leading the group trips?
Amanda (50:13.614)
I go on like maybe four trips per year and we offer like 30. So no, I don’t.
Jason Elkins (50:16.401)
Okay.
Okay, so you get that, you probably get that four times a year. You probably feel pretty good about being there, don’t you? Yeah.
Amanda (50:22.958)
I get in a very different way. I once in a while, yeah, like, mean, my travelers, my repeat travelers know how much I put into it and I get the hugs and the love and the friendship and all of that. Sometimes I mostly just get, sometimes it’s not quite, they don’t really understand why I’m there sometimes because I’m not the guide and I’m not the driver and why is the owner here? And,
Jason Elkins (50:51.388)
Mm.
Amanda (50:52.312)
You know, that’s a worst case scenario for sure. That doesn’t happen very often, but sometimes that’s how it goes. But when I get, know, when somebody feels so inspired and fulfilled on a trip that they, sometimes women cry, like, and expressing how moved they’ve been, that is my favorite. Like, just the, you know, that’s gratitude to me.
Jason Elkins (51:17.051)
Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah.
Amanda (51:20.458)
little sometimes they’ll give me like little gifts maybe you know one girl once got me a necklace from South Africa and another one recently wrote me a beautiful card those little things are really really meaningful so it’s really when they connect with each other and they have fulfilled some dream of their own yeah that’s when I’m like okay it’s
Jason Elkins (51:46.354)
That’s why I’m doing this. All right. That’s, that’s, that’s super cool. I just, I’m curious, have you ever gone on one? I don’t even know if you could do this because you’ve got a huge community. You’re pretty high profile in your community. People probably kind of know who you are, obviously. I was just curious if you ever tried it. Have ever thought about like, could you go on one of these trips kind of incognito kind of like, what are they, what’s that show or the, CEO?
disguise himself and undercover boss. you think you could do first? guess. Do think you could do that? Have you ever tried to do that? Or what do you, what do you think it would be like to be on one of your trips as just one of the, one of the girls?
Amanda (52:14.732)
undercover boss.
Amanda (52:26.99)
So I did try to do that once a long time ago. I felt really guilty about it. And I was recognized though because of my hair. So it was like, was like hour two. And she’s like, I think I recognize that hair. Didn’t I see that on the website? And I was like, okay, fine.
Jason Elkins (52:32.508)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (52:36.992)
Jason Elkins (52:44.595)
you got me. but you’re right. The feelings of that guilt feeling like, because people are going to ask you, know, when someone asks you, so where do you live? What do you do? You know, how did you hear about this trip? There are no good answers that are going to feel good to someone like you and I. Right. It’s yeah, it’s just and I used to I got because I worked in the travel business as well for quite a while. And one of my jobs would be to go.
Amanda (52:56.483)
Yeah.
Amanda (53:04.45)
Yeah, it like lying.
Jason Elkins (53:13.881)
scout locations, look for new locations, all international stuff. So quite often I would just show up as by myself at some fishing lodge. was more of a fly fishing company, but I’d show up at some fishing lodge or resort and, and I would think to myself, I’m just going to go in there. Nobody’s going to know who I am. Maybe the owner of the place knows I’m there because they set it up or whatever, but the, but specifically with the other guests, I don’t want to, I just didn’t want to be
Cause it was fly fishing and Orvis was a big company. didn’t want to, I’m the guy from Orvis. And there’s a few reasons, that I didn’t want all them to know that. I don’t know where I’m going with this other than oftentimes I would show up. like, I’m just here to go fishing. So I’d say, yeah, I’m from, from Montana and I like to fly fish. And then very, it didn’t take long before I was like, yeah.
Okay, I work at Orvis. I run the travel business for Orvis. It’s my job to scout fly fishing lodges and destinations. And then of course, it’s like, my gosh, that’s the most amazing job ever. And then you felt like you were on stage the whole time. It’s like, just, you know, it makes it hard to also experience a lodge authentically when the people at the lodge are, you know, trying to either impress you or this or that. It was just an interesting.
Amanda (54:16.223)
Okay.
Yes. Yes.
Jason Elkins (54:33.745)
interesting thing that it can relate to. And then also because Orbis was a large company, the, know, was automatically, I have a pair of Orbis waiters that I bought just a couple of years ago and they’re already leaking. Can you help me get them? Like, don’t have anything to do with that part of the business. anyway.
Amanda (54:47.212)
Yeah.
Yeah, the scouting of tours is definitely an experience, but I agree with you. Sometimes it’s good for them to know who you are, and sometimes you don’t want them to know anything about you, because you want to really experience how they treat all their guests.
Jason Elkins (54:54.382)
Yeah.
Jason Elkins (55:06.643)
Right. Cause you do that all the time. think last time we spoke, I think you had just gone somewhere. You were in South America or heading there or something. And you do a lot of this fam trip stuff. You go check out places and somebody knows who you are when you get there, presumably because it can be cost prohibitive to go check things out if you’re paying for them the whole time. Um, so yeah. Hmm. Do you, do you, when you go visit places,
Amanda (55:13.195)
Mm-hmm.
Amanda (55:25.198)
please.
Jason Elkins (55:33.843)
Do you feel obligated to generally provide them with a lot of feedback? Because that’s one thing I had to do is if I went to a fishing lodge to check it out to see if they were qualified to work with or of us or whatever, I’d have to do a whole report. I couldn’t just say, OK, thanks for showing me around. I don’t think it’s right fit. I had to go through the whole process and explain to them why we made the decision yes or no. Do you do that?
Amanda (55:56.494)
I mean, I think that when you engage in a fam trip, it’s sort of like an unspoken rule that you give feedback. Whether you love it and want to move forward, or you hate it and don’t want to move forward, I feel like there is kind of an unspoken commitment that you say why either way. And I tend to have a lot of opinions, so I give them anyway. But yeah, I think.
Jason Elkins (56:05.403)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (56:15.548)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (56:25.843)
Is that is that hard? Is that you said you’ve got opinions you give them anyway, but I know I remember there are some places like people were so nice, like maybe the managers were just this nice sweet couple. They were amazing, but there was other things maybe outside. Maybe they’re right across the street from a landfill, whatever. There were just certain things. It wasn’t their fault and. I don’t know.
Amanda (56:46.702)
Yeah, it depends. It depends, think, who you’re talking to. If you’re talking to the owner of that hotel, then maybe, you know, for me, at least, I would probably still give honest feedback, but maybe, maybe like tailor it with solutions to if it’s across from a landfill and it smells bad, maybe give potential solutions. Like how would I feel more comfortable in that situation? For me, it’s usually, you know, we partner with, with, um,
Jason Elkins (57:01.927)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Elkins (57:06.577)
Yeah. Right.
Amanda (57:12.93)
people and sometimes very small teams in other countries. So usually I’m not speaking directly to the hotel unless I’m at the hotel and they ask me to my face. So it’s a little easier that way, but yeah. Yeah.
Jason Elkins (57:22.021)
Right. Yeah. It is actually. Cause then you can say to the DMC or the partner that you’re working with, Hey, thanks for setting up this fam trip. know, you I stayed at seven different places and these are the three that I think would be the best fit. And here’s why. And the other four, this and that, and just provide some feedback to them and then let them deliver the bad news, I guess. So anyway.
Amanda (57:49.644)
I feel it’s the hardest, right? When it’s like a really good experience, but it’s not for you. Like it’s not a fit or it’s not there yet. I experienced a lot of that in my last fan trip and it’s hard to say no when they didn’t really do anything wrong. It wasn’t a bad nervous. It was just like, not for us.
Jason Elkins (58:06.257)
Yeah
Jason Elkins (58:10.631)
just doesn’t feel quite right. And it is, it’s hard to put your finger on that. And then of course, sometimes operators, know, they really, hopefully they care about what they’re doing and it can be very like, okay, fine, what did we do wrong? And you didn’t do anything. Well, no, we must’ve done something because otherwise why aren’t you bringing a group next year? And it can be a tough thing. anyway, I don’t know how we ended up going down that path. Amanda, we’ve gone down a bunch of paths.
Amanda (58:33.699)
Yeah.
Jason Elkins (58:38.067)
Fascinating conversation. I resonate with your story so much and I trust that the listeners will as well and anybody that’s just know this that feels a connection obviously her you know the note the her link to our websites right there in the show notes and Presumably if they go to the website they can figure out how to access the community whether that’s is it still on Facebook the community Yeah, I suspect so so What did I forget to ask you what do you wish I would have asked you and what do you want to make sure our listeners know about?
Amanda (58:56.024)
Yep. Yep.
Jason Elkins (59:05.051)
You the solo female traveler network. It’s also known as SoFe, right? Cause we, we, yeah, we want to make sure I wanted to make sure we got that out. So, so what else do you want to share before we wrap up?
Amanda (59:09.804)
Yes. That was a good short.
Amanda (59:18.03)
I mean, I guess the last thing I might share is that I…
A big thing that I’ve learned from leading all these tours and creating this community is that at the end of the day, you can find any adventure in the world that you want. And you can go solo, you can go with a group, you can go with my group, you can go to the different group, you can go with your boyfriend, and it doesn’t matter. There’s a million ways to access the world. But at the end of the day, I think the most important thing
The thing that I received from my work that I never expected was a really strong bond and connection with women like me. And I grew up in a place, as we’ve discussed, where travel and adventure was always very laced with safety concerns and budget concerns. And those things are only concerns, they’re concerns, but they’re only as big as you want them to be.
Through this work, I’ve discovered that there are so many ways to see the world, but at the end of the day, it’s really the people that I’ve met. It’s in my case, the women that I’ve met who have, it was a particular woman who inspired me to go and start doing tours for the solo female traveler network. And I’ll never forget her for that. It was women who said, I wanna go to this crazy ass country and I want you to figure it out. And I did.
It was some of my best friends have become the women on my tours and I never expected that to happen. And I want anybody listening. If you have ever questioned traveling solo or if you are worried about making friends, don’t be. You’ll find your people when you just do the thing that is closest to your heart.
Jason Elkins (01:01:16.891)
That is beautiful. I’m trying to, really have one more lingering question, but I hate that. That was just what you said was so beautiful that, but, and it sounds like you started this network after you got robbed in Mexico.
Amanda (01:01:32.428)
Yeah.
Jason Elkins (01:01:33.479)
Yeah. So do you reflect back on that and say, okay, maybe getting robbed in Mexico was not the end of the world.
Amanda (01:01:40.302)
I’m still a little bitter about my dive gear that was stolen. And I lost all my photos from Cuba, so no, no,
Jason Elkins (01:01:42.2)
You
Jason Elkins (01:01:47.811)
Okay, but but you started the community. It turned into something amazing that’s now influencing other women. So the only reason I want to bring that up when I did is sometimes those things, those things that keep us from traveling that might keep somebody from traveling because of perceived danger in places. Sometimes it’s those things that we worry about happening on a trip that if they happen, they may actually be a good thing.
Amanda (01:01:53.398)
It did.
Amanda (01:02:15.126)
I think that when the bad things happen, that you hear in my group, at least you hear women talking about, and I talk about it all the time, how solo travel teaches you how capable you are. It doesn’t teach you how capable you are because everything went perfectly according to plan all the time. It went, it’s because something went weird and wrong and you figured it out. So.
Jason Elkins (01:02:30.291)
Exactly.
Amanda (01:02:37.526)
Obviously getting robbed wasn’t ideal, but it’s been 10 years and I’m fine. So you’re going to be fine too, no matter what happens.
Jason Elkins (01:02:45.799)
I’ve been traveling four and a half years. The only issue I’ve had was getting robbed in Mexico as well. So I don’t know why you and I have so many similar stories, but I’ll save mine for another day. Amanda, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking time to come on and have this wonderful conversation. It was a lot of fun and let’s do some collaboration projects again in the future. Thank you so much. All right. Have a great day. All right. Thanks, Amanda. Bye bye.
Amanda (01:02:50.368)
Yeah.
It’s really funny.
Amanda (01:03:07.832)
Sounds amazing. Thank you for having me. You too.

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