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Episode #206: Elaine Nelson Peik
Owner & Founder
Nordic Travel Collective
Guest Bio
Elaine Nelson Peik is the owner and founder of Nordic Travel Collective, a specialized service dedicated to personalized travel planning in the Nordic region. With over 27 years of experience working for leading Nordic tour operators and destination management companies, Elaine combines her Scandinavian heritage and industry expertise to design custom itineraries that reflect the unique interests and needs of each traveler. She has crafted trips across Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Svalbard, focusing on authentic cultural experiences, scenic routes, and thoughtful logistics that go beyond typical tourist paths.
Show Summary
In this episode of the Big World Made Small Adventure Travel Podcast, host Jason Elkins welcomes Elaine Nelson Peik to explore the intricacies of travel to the Nordic countries. Elaine shares insights on how her deep connection to Scandinavia and decades of professional experience have shaped her approach to travel planning, emphasizing clarity and personalization to help travelers confidently navigate the complexities of the region.
Throughout the conversation, Elaine explains the origins and scope of the Nordic Travel Collective, highlighting the value of expert guidance in an age of overwhelming online information. She also discusses the importance of well-flowing itineraries, realistic travel expectations—especially in places like Norway where geography and transportation can be challenging—and the role of cultural storytelling in creating meaningful journeys. Elaine offers a candid look at her own path, from growing up in a Scandinavian-American community in Minnesota to shifting from a teaching career to travel design.
Key Takeaways
- ✓ Nordic Travel Collective offers customized, expert-guided itineraries tailored to travelers’ individual preferences, budgets, and comfort levels.
- ✓ Elaine’s Scandinavian roots and fluency in Swedish provide her with unique cultural insights that enrich her travel planning.
- ✓ Travel in the Nordic region involves complex logistics, including slow driving speeds, ferry crossings, and seasonal considerations, which can impact itinerary flow.
- ✓ Personalized planning helps avoid common pitfalls like overbooked accommodations and disconnected transit schedules.
- ✓ The term “Nordic” covers Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark) plus Finland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and territories like Svalbard.
- ✓ Svalbard is a Norwegian territory known for its polar bear population, with regulated tourism to protect the environment and wildlife.
- ✓ Elaine structures her service fees based on trip length, providing detailed itineraries with booking links and ongoing support through to departure.
- ✓ Video consultations are preferred to assess client needs, allowing Elaine to observe subtle preferences and group dynamics that improve trip design.
- ✓ Heritage travel is a significant interest, helping people connect with their Nordic roots through visits to ancestral regions and cultural experiences.
- ✓ Elaine maintains ongoing contact with clients after booking to refine itineraries and ensure a smooth travel experience.
What You’ll Find on Nordic Travel Collective
- ✓ Personalized itinerary design based on traveler interests, ranging from hiking and camping to culinary and heritage trips.
- ✓ Detailed travel plans including booking links, schedules, and transport connections tailored to individual or group needs.
- ✓ Expert advice on Nordic travel logistics to help avoid common timing and transportation challenges.
- ✓ Flexible communication options including email, phone, and video calls to suit different client preferences.
- ✓ Ongoing itinerary updates and support after booking, with real-time access to travel details via a specialized tour software platform.
- ✓ Emphasis on authentic cultural experiences and off-the-beaten-path destinations alongside popular Nordic highlights.
Learn more about Nordic Travel Collective and connect with Elaine at:
https://www.nordictravelcollective.com
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Jason (01:09)
Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of the Big World Made Small podcast for the Adventure Traveler. So happy to have each and every one of you back today. And also I’m very excited to have our guest today. Today we’ve got a fascinating guest. She’s gonna tell us about all things north and and maybe south. I don’t know. Let’s let’s see where it goes. But we’ve got Elaine Nelson Peik She is the owner and founder of Nordic Travel Collective. Elaine, welcome to the show. Happy to have you here.
Elaine Nelson Peik (01:34)
Thank you for having me. Thank you so much.
Jason (01:37)
I
I realized as I was doing the brief introduction, I I mentioned all things north and then I thought, well, maybe you do polar stuff in the south. Obviously the name of your business kind of indicates that that we’re gonna be talking a little bit about the north. and s and since I’m on the topic, do you do stuff south of the equator as well? Like really far south? Okay. All right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (01:54)
I do not. I I have sold Antarctica,
but that was only because somebody from the Nordic region was selling it, so I don’t specifically do that anymore. Yep.
Jason (02:03)
All right, very cool. I just I since I’m since I mentioned that I thought I’d get that out of the way.
so we’re gonna we’re gonna have a fascinating conversation. I know we are I spoke with you, I think it was only a week ago. I was intrigued by kind of s you know, your story, but then also just the north. I don’t know a lot about it and I know you do, so I’m I’m gonna ask probably a lot of questions that might feel like dumb questions, but I’m never afraid to ask dumb questions. It’s it’s how I learn. So
Elaine Nelson Peik (02:29)
I’m a t teacher by trade, so there aren’t any dumb questions. So yeah.
Jason (02:32)
so you’ll be patient. All right, good. You’ve only got one
person in the room asking dumb questions, so that’s probably good.
Elaine Nelson Peik (02:37)
No
Jason (02:37)
Elaine, before we we’re gonna definitely spend some time on your story, figure out how you got from where you were to where you are now. That that’s the part I really enjoy. And before we do that, I wanna give our listeners kind of an idea. a little bit more of an idea than they might have pulled from your name and our brief conversation so far is
What is Nordic Travel Collective? And we won’t go into the history so much, but just kind of what is it? How do you, you know, how do you serve your guests? and maybe a little bit about what kind of guests you serve, and we’ll discuss that a little bit before we get into your childhood traumas and and everything that cost you to do this kind of work. Yeah, exactly. So
Elaine Nelson Peik (03:11)
And how I arrived here, yeah.
Jason (03:14)
so what is Nordic Travel Collective?
Elaine Nelson Peik (03:16)
Well,
right now Nordic Travel Collective is something that I’ve been thinking about for a long time. I have been in the Nordic travel world for almost twenty eight years and I have just been listening to what people want and it’s really fun to watch how the Nordic travel and Scandinavian region have kind of evolved over the years and having a
one particular discussion over and over and over and over being that I worked not as a travel agent, I worked in what are called DMCs and tour operations. So we only focused on the Nordic region and we worked with directly with customers, but I also did a lot of trips for travel agents who had customers who wanted to go there. So one of the main questions was can’t I just take your itinerary and do it myself? I’ve heard that. I don’t know, I would be a millionaire if I told you
Jason (04:02)
That this
is gonna this is probably it’s probably gonna resonate resonate well with both the the tour operators, travel agents
Elaine Nelson Peik (04:05)
How many times I’ve been asked that? So Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jason (04:12)
and stuff that that I’ve had on the show that are listening to the show now, as well as I’m really happy you’re bringing it up because we’ve got a lot of travelers that are listening to this as well. So they’re gonna you know, well let’s let’s give them the other side of it. So anyway,
Elaine Nelson Peik (04:20)
Absolutely. Yeah.
Jason (04:23)
you were hearing that quite often and what did you do with that information?
Elaine Nelson Peik (04:27)
And so I finally thought I’m gonna lean into this and see where it goes. So what I did last year, last January 2025, was I started this kind of as I’m not quite sure where I wanna lean, but I know how to do all the the things to get people over to the Nordics, to get them itineraries, all of those things. And so what I first tried was
just designing itineraries for people. That’s kind of what they were looking for. They wanted all of the details, they wanted booking links, they wanted kind of how to get from A to B because people would always come to me or whatever company I was working for and they would have itineraries that were kind of all over the place. Or they knew where they wanted to go and they spit out like thirty different places and it’s like, okay, well, we gotta wrangle this in a little bit. So
Jason (05:09)
They’ve got a week, right?
Elaine Nelson Peik (05:13)
being that there is a market for that, there always kind of has been.
And the more tech savvy people get, the more they’re just kind of looking for kind of a starting point. So that’s where I come in because if I look at something like I’m interested in going to somewhere in South America, my eyes glaze over because I don’t I don’t know anything about it. I don’t know how to get down there. I don’t know what’s good, what’s local, what’s you know, what’s interesting. So I would look for somebody who is a specialist in that region or some
said country to kind of give me that that starting point with maybe some suggested itineraries or ideas and things like that. So I’d be willing to pay for somebody to kind of like push me in the right direction and then I can kind of go where I want to go. So I designed itineraries for people based on the budget that they had, where where they
felt like they were comfortable traveling, if they were comfortable driving, or if they wanted to do all public transportation. So writing itineraries based on what people want. And I’ve done such a wide variety of itineraries, whether it’s a large group or a small, you know, just an individual. I’ve done a lot of solo travelers. I’ve done a lot of camping trips. I’ve done a lot of heritage trips. I I can kind of do it all based on what you’re looking for. So and if there are new things that come along, I certainly am constantly reading about
new companies that come along and what kind of activities they have, what they offer, if there’s a new fun museum or exhibit somewhere. I’ve d just it’s fun reading about it ’cause it’s just such a fun it’s been fun kind of sitting again and looking back at all of the progression just in the past twenty eight years and how how much more there is and how many more fun adventures you can have. So yeah.
Jason (06:54)
That
Elaine Nelson Peik (06:55)
That’s kind of
Jason (06:55)
that
Elaine Nelson Peik (06:55)
where where I’ve landed and I’ve I’ve started to take regular bookings more as a travel agent to just kind of see where that goes. I don’t necessarily want to operate as a tour operator at this point in time. So I’ve done that and I know I know where what avenues to go through if I need extra help with things or something that’s pretty structured that I just don’t have
Jason (07:17)
Right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (07:18)
the contacts for. So yes.
Jason (07:20)
So that one that
one question is of the question of what is Nordic Travel Collective? Just and your response opened up a bunch of new questions, which is why
Elaine Nelson Peik (07:27)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (07:27)
I never come to these conversations with a list of questions, because they would all change right after the first one anyway.
Elaine Nelson Peik (07:32)
Yeah.
Jason (07:33)
So what I heard, because you you you mentioned that you’re starting to maybe do some travel agent stuff. I’m just gonna leave it at that until I finish. I’ll
Elaine Nelson Peik (07:40)
Yeah. Uh-huh.
Jason (07:43)
go back just a little bit. But what you started Nordic Travel Collective doing, I’m gonna put it my own words.
was you were helping people put together itineraries that they could then go and book themselves. That’s like if I were to s
Elaine Nelson Peik (07:55)
Correct. Yep.
Jason (07:56)
if if I were to boil it down, that’s what I heard. Is that pretty accurate? Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (07:59)
That y that’s absolutely right. And I
give them booking links or if they have points that they want to use for specific things like airlines or certain hotel chains, they’re definitely you’re you’re welcome to do that. So I’m not I’m not promoting anything specifically. I have some booking links on my website that people that I generally feel comfortable using, I know they’re they’re
Jason (08:21)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (08:21)
good operators, things like that. But if you have, you know, like if you’re going over to stay with family
you know, and we want me to write you an itinerary based on where they are or where your heritage is, I can do that. So that’s
Jason (08:32)
Mm-hmm. All right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (08:34)
kind of the gist of that is I can do a little bit of everything because everybody has kind of a different idea of what kind of adventure they want to have. So
Jason (08:42)
What do
you what do you call that type of service? If you had to put a a label on like, you know, it it’s kind of easy. Travel agents oftentimes would be travel advisors. We’ve got
Elaine Nelson Peik (08:53)
Mm.
Jason (08:54)
tour operators, we’ve got DMCs, the destination marketing companies that work on the ground. There’s
Elaine Nelson Peik (08:58)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (08:59)
everything kind of has a label. so if you had to put a label on that kind of work, what do you call it?
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:05)
I know people are quick to say like travel design. I
Jason (09:08)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:08)
you know, it can be that. I I sort of consider myself more of a Nordic destination specialist.
Jason (09:15)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:16)
so I like to just consider this sort of a a destination specialist, you know, like a Nordic with a Nordic focus. travel
Jason (09:23)
Mm-hmm. Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:25)
company instead of travel agent, ’cause I know that the minute a lot of people hear travel agent, they just kind of
They they
don’t I don’t need that, I don’t want that. But it’s like, well that’s that’s not really what I’m about. So
Jason (09:38)
It’s interesting that you went there. and I would like to touch on it. I would like to touch on it because
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:41)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason (09:44)
things it’s a changing landscape, I guess.
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:46)
Mm.
Jason (09:47)
especially with AI and the ease of I’m not gonna I’m gonna be careful here because I’ve got a variety of listeners, a variety of guests, but I also but that
Elaine Nelson Peik (09:54)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Jason (09:58)
doesn’t mean I’m gonna sugarcoat it. I just wanna say it right so I don’t so you know, so they don’t Jason, you don’t know what you’re talking about, which is okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (10:04)
Uh-huh.
Jason (10:04)
But
I imagine my imagin I’ve never been a travel agent. I’ve
Elaine Nelson Peik (10:08)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (10:09)
worked as a tour operator, put together a lot of itineraries and all that stuff, but I imagine people think, okay, I wanna go to let’s let’s use South America as an example. I know it doesn’t relate directly, but that’s why it makes a better example. I wanna go to Colombia, but I don’t know anything about Colombia. But I’ve got the internet and I can book everything directly because I’ve got, you know.
Booking.com, or I’ve got, you know, all these different ways that I can book things. And I don’t need help booking stuff. I’ve booked stuff on most of my trips. so I’ll spend a bunch of time watching YouTube and maybe I’ll go ask my friend over at ChatGPT what they think. And and I can just book all that stuff myself. So I don’t really need a travel agent because they don’t even
Elaine Nelson Peik (10:51)
Mm.
Jason (10:51)
know what that means if they did get a travel agent. Are they saving money? Is it more whatever, whatever.
Elaine Nelson Peik (10:55)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Jason (10:57)
So yeah. So if someone said, here’s my friend, they’re a travel agent, you should talk to them. I don’t need a travel agent. But if they said, Well, here’s my friend, she’s a destination expert, you know, she really knows the area, you can book anywhere you want. She’ll just help you figure out where to go, help put the stuff all together. So then you just have a punch list of pl of bookings that you do, maybe, you know, the affiliated links and all that stuff. But she’ll help you get started so she can save you those hours and hours and hours of watching YouTube and listening to and I love YouTube.
I li I like travel influencers, but I cannot tell you how many times I’ve sat and watched a YouTube video about a place that I am intimately familiar with and it’s pretty clear that they’ve been there a day. You know, they they they arrive in Bogota or they arrive
Elaine Nelson Peik (11:37)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jason (11:40)
in Lima and and create a video about the ten things you must see in Lima and they’ve been there a day. And
That can be a little bit misleading. Where am I going with this, Elaine? I think what I’m saying is, yeah, I see I see the difference. You can kinda does this make sense? If it’s something they kind of already
Elaine Nelson Peik (11:55)
Mm.
Jason (11:56)
came up with themselves, maybe it’s just a matter of, I don’t know, proofreading or or reviewing so you can suggest changes, improvements, or they could start with you and and make life
Elaine Nelson Peik (12:06)
Mm.
Jason (12:07)
a lot easier. I don’t even know where there’s a question in this. Is this is this resonating?
Elaine Nelson Peik (12:10)
No, I I it really does. And you know, it’s
I love travel agents, I love tour operators, I love travel designers. Like I there’s there’s really a market for all of it. There’s room for everybody. And I have never, you know, not wanted everybody to kind of have an opportunity because there’s so many different ways people travel. And it’s
Jason (12:29)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (12:29)
ridiculous to like think that travel is just this or just that.
It’s it’s a little bit of everything and yeah, with the internet and with more technology, there’s more opportunity for everybody to kind of figure things out. But that said, people are still getting stuck because there’s so much information and they don’t sometimes
Jason (12:47)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (12:47)
know what makes sense and what doesn’t. And that’s that’s the thing that, you know, my first year into it, I you know, I I’d been over there several times. I speak Swedish. I grew up kind of in the Scandinavian community here in
the Twin
Jason (13:00)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (13:00)
Cities in Minnesota and I just love all about like my my family history and all that kind of stuff. When when they came over and where they were from in Norway and Sweden and Denmark. And so I just wanna be able to show people kind of the best of those areas and all of the Nordic areas that I’ve fallen in love with, especially Finland and Iceland, Faroe Islands and Greenland. I just I love the whole
kind of combination of it all and how it’s so easy to kind of for me to connect the dots and it’s very can become very overwhelming.
Jason (13:30)
Ha ha ha.
Elaine Nelson Peik (13:31)
So people come and they’re like, you know, even nowadays where they’re like, I’ve been on AI and I I look at some of the itineraries and I’m like, you know, that’s good. Or this has been closed for a couple of years. Did you know that? Or or the itinerary just doesn’t flow as well as it could. And a very
Jason (13:46)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (13:47)
well flowing itinerary really brings value.
And it maximizes your time so you’re not just kind of going all over the place or you booked a ticket in and out of one city and maybe you could have looked at doing something into one city and out of another. Like just little little nuanced things like that that that I love
Jason (14:04)
Right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (14:05)
to kind of help people tweak so they’re getting the best out of their trip because I want them to see the best of everything that they want to see. So
Jason (14:13)
Yeah, cause and I guess I’m gonna speak about AI as though it’s a person, just to help. A a lot of a lot of people do. You can’t really blame AI for not knowing everything. It’s based
Elaine Nelson Peik (14:24)
Mm.
Jason (14:24)
on it it reviews what’s out there, and whatever’s mentioned the most is probably what’s gonna pop up.
Elaine Nelson Peik (14:29)
Mm.
Jason (14:30)
And anybody that’s traveled anywhere kinda knows that what was mentioned the the most doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best, and may even mean the opposite of that in many cases.
Elaine Nelson Peik (14:40)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (14:40)
So that, you know, you you go to to AI or maybe in a sense, maybe even to YouTube, you’re gonna see the popular stuff. Cause even I know YouTubers will sit down
Elaine Nelson Peik (14:51)
Mm.
Jason (14:51)
and say, well, what’s a popular search right now? And if it’s you know, the the Roman Coliseum or whatever, just as an example.
Elaine Nelson Peik (14:58)
Mm.
Jason (14:59)
Then
they’re that’s what they’re gonna see. A lot of stuff about the Coliseum, but they might speak to an It Italy expert and say, Yeah, don’t don’t build your trip around that. I have no idea. I don’t know anything about Italy. But
Elaine Nelson Peik (15:06)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jason (15:09)
but yeah, I guess that’s I guess that’s where I’m going. Where
You can you can like now yeah, you know, if they want to bring you an itinerary they put together with ChatGPT and you can like help them shine light on it, help them make sense out of it and
Elaine Nelson Peik (15:21)
Mm.
Jason (15:21)
and do all that, that’s that’s probably fine. But yeah, you’re gonna mention things that probably an AI would never even come up with. and and I also suspect that, you know, if I’m going to
Milwaukee for a business conference and I’m trying to figure out which hotel’s closest to the convention center and w what kind of restaurants are around it, then it probably be pretty efficient way to do it. But we’re talking about something a little different.
Elaine Nelson Peik (15:46)
Yeah. Or, you know, just you know, I wanna take the train and I wanna go to Oslo and then I wanna do a n a Norway and nutshell and like they’ll ramble things off and it’s like, okay, let’s slow it down. And you know, did you know that you might get in, you know, late in the evening? Do you wanna walk from said train station to the hotel? Or did you you know, like did you know that your VRBO was, you know, ten minutes outside of downtown? Thing little things like that.
Or they’ll
Jason (16:11)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (16:12)
come with an itinerary and and they really, really want that itinerary, but I kind of convinced them to maybe, you know, like I’ll I’ll put your itinerary together, but then I’ll write a second itinerary and kind of riff off of that one and make make tighten it up a little and have it make a little more sense and flow a little better. So
Jason (16:28)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (16:29)
I would say most times people end up taking the
Jason (16:32)
Ha ha ha.
Elaine Nelson Peik (16:33)
second one ’cause they can kind of see all the logistics and that that’s what
Jason (16:36)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (16:36)
I was really
You know, before all of the internet everything we relied on we used to get the train catalogs, the the route de books like from Norway, they were like this thick.
Jason (16:47)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (16:48)
And we would have to flip through them to look at all the ferry schedules and the train schedules and the buses and all that stuff to kind of make sure that what we were putting together made sense. And there was similar
Jason (16:57)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (16:58)
things for Swedish and Danish rail and things like that and
just really getting into the nitty gritty of all the logistics. If you if you’re not familiar with them and kind of don’t have some of that in the back of your mind, it’s just really overwhelming. And I don’t want people to get stuck. And Norway is a good place where you can get stuck if you don’t kind of know a lot of the dots to connect or maybe things that are getting in too early or too late or don’t operate every day. Things like that that, you know, I want people to know that
Th that’s kinda why I’m here. So
Jason (17:29)
I think
as I was listening to you to you mention that I was also considering we kind of live in a YouTube or TikTok or Instagram world or whatever.
Elaine Nelson Peik (17:37)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (17:38)
And you know, if you I mentioned watching a video of maybe you know, somebody creates a Bogota or whatever. And the thing that we have to all remember is these are edited videos, right? So we’re seeing
Elaine Nelson Peik (17:50)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (17:50)
we’re seeing this person go visit the top ten things to do in Bogota.
And like it’s a 40 minute video, you know,
Elaine Nelson Peik (17:58)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (17:59)
and it’s really hard to get your head around where things are when they arrive at the airport and then boom, the next scene they’re up on top of Montserrat or they’re you know, they’re they’re bouncing around it and it looks
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:12)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (18:13)
so easy, you know, and it
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:15)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (18:15)
looks so quick and you’re like, Yeah, we can obviously do all those. It could probably be the same thing about Norway, you know.
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:21)
Mm,
Jason (18:21)
Things you must see
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:21)
mhm.
Jason (18:22)
in Norway and they put it together in an hour long video and they don’t show they don’t show the sitting waiting for a train or a bus that that was off schedule or whatever. They tend to just skip past that.
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:32)
Mm.
Jason (18:33)
You mentioned did you say Norway was a a a tough one in the sense of getting stuck. You said specifically I don’t want people getting stuff stuck and you mentioned that. Can you give me a let’s Yeah, let’s
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:39)
Yes. It’s kind of its own beast.
Jason (18:44)
let’s I think we need to dig into that a little bit more.
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:46)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (18:47)
you know, this show’s not about necessarily
travel tips and schedules and you know what time you need to arrive in a place. But since you mentioned that specifically, let’s let’s I guess what’s the thing about
Elaine Nelson Peik (18:58)
Yeah.
Jason (18:59)
Norway logistics that people that might surprise people or they might not understand before they before they go.
Elaine Nelson Peik (19:05)
would say that Norway is kind of groupings of things like fjords and glaciers and mountains and things like that. And so getting, you know, like from let’s say Oslo to Bergen or Oslo up to Olesund or a famous fjord, the Gyrunger fjord, there’s a lot of obstacles in the middle there. And
Jason (19:23)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (19:24)
there aren’t big, you know, six-lane freeways in Norway. It there might be like a two-laner
on either side, maybe in and out of Oslo. but most of it is I call it we we named this like twenty years ago. We called it interactive driving. So if you want
Jason (19:38)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (19:39)
to go over there and rent a car, you’re never gonna be going over at most maybe a hundred kilometers an hour. But like last fall I drove with an old colleague. We drove from Buda down to Trunheim and did the the there’s a f kind of a famous road there called Schistrikswein and
I’ve done that area with one of the the main Norwegian cruise companies. so I’ve seen it from the water, but I’ve never done the land portion. I don’t think we averaged more than fifty kilometers an hour. I mean you really like you’re going
Jason (20:09)
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (20:10)
around mountains and you’re following the fjord and there’s sheep jumping in the road and so you’re just you’re never gonna
Jason (20:15)
For for
Elaine Nelson Peik (20:17)
like
You look it up on Google and we always tell people to add at least twenty five percent to the driving time just because it’s not you’re
Jason (20:22)
Whatever you whatever you think it might be.
Elaine Nelson Peik (20:23)
not you’re not gonna zoom there at eighty miles an hour. So
Jason (20:27)
For for
for those that are listening to the audio version of this conversation, if you’re watching the video, I don’t need you’re gonna wonder why I’m saying this, but she’s waving her hands up in the air and drawing s drawing squiggly lines and curves and all this stuff. So you So
Elaine Nelson Peik (20:36)
Around. Mhm. Yes. And there’s a lot
of f little ferry crossings. So you might come upon a road that has, you know, two or three different ferry crossings. So you just you queue up to the the line, you get on the ferry. It might be like a fifteen minute ferry crossing. But I mean that that whole process can take over forty five minutes or an hour or more just because the line might be long. So just little factors like that that
that I’ve had to think about over the years that that makes it a little more tolerable of an itinerary for people when they get there. And they don’t feel overwhelmed with travel days. So
Jason (21:12)
Want
to ask you a question that I suspect our listeners, at least some of our listeners, would like me to ask, but I also want to do it in a way that that takes into account that this conversation is gonna be around a while. Your business,
Elaine Nelson Peik (21:24)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (21:24)
your business model may change. I don’t want to mention specifics that would cause people to to feel like it’s out this conversation’s outdated.
Elaine Nelson Peik (21:34)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (21:34)
but I’m gonna ask you the question I know I think people want me to ask is and
We’re not going to discuss specific. We can discuss however you want to discuss it. But maybe in your situation or specifically travel, let’s say travel designers, you know, area Nordic specialists, like I’m beating around the bush here because I’m I’m trying to imagine how you’re gonna answer this. I should just ask it. What does it cost to hire somebody like you? That’s what I’m trying to figure out.
Elaine Nelson Peik (21:59)
okay. So I’ve right now I’ve got consultation fees or it’s kind of what we can call it a customizing fee. that’s what I’ve always kinda called it. And I’ve based it on the number of days. So like the number
Jason (22:08)
But don’t tell me a don’t tell me a number, but give me you know, just yeah, exactly like you’re doing right now.
Elaine Nelson Peik (22:13)
of days you’re traveling, I’ve based it off of that. So
Jason (22:15)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (22:16)
we’ll have on my website I’ve got kind of a things so you can read about
Putting your trip together and crafting your trip. So based on the number of days you’re traveling, I’ll put an itinerary together. So the maximum I’ve done is five weeks, and that’s
Jason (22:29)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (22:30)
a complicated trip, but it starts from like a one to three day trip. So maybe you have a long weekend that you want to spend up there, or you you want to go for five weeks. So the shortest one is one to three days, and that’s $75 for the consultation fee.
And that includes also your final itinerary with booking links. And then if you have any questions up until you go, I’m happy to answer them. And then anything that’s fifteen plus days is four hundred and fifty dollars. So and that those can take some time for me to put together because I really want to to make sure that everything makes sense and a lot of times those longer trips,
People have multiple countries that they want to go to and they want to do multiple different types of things. Maybe it’s part of a cruise and then they’re gonna do some hiking and then they wanna go do a Michelin star dinner somewhere and so
Jason (23:15)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:16)
just things like that. So there’s a lot of lot involved with that. So based on
Jason (23:20)
Sure.
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:20)
the number of days, I’ve got one to three days, and then I’ve got four to seven, so kind of a within a week. Eight to fourteen is the most popular number of
days for
Jason (23:29)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:29)
a trip and then fifteen plus. So and I know that a lot of
Jason (23:32)
Okay. That’s helpful. And
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:33)
times the North American market especially to get him to go for a week is sometimes is like pulling teeth. But I
Jason (23:39)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:39)
I w I definitely recommend anything over a little bit over a week because it just takes so many hours to get from A to B sometimes and and you don’t
Jason (23:47)
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:47)
want to, you know, get there at night and then the next morning you have to wake up and leave and you haven’t seen anything. So
Jason (23:53)
Right. I wasn’t sure if you were gonna mention specific numbers. I didn’t want to put you on the spot for that, but I actually th I actually
Elaine Nelson Peik (23:58)
No, that’s fine.
Jason (23:59)
think it’s helpful. I’ll mention that we’re recording this in August of twenty twenty six.
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:03)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (24:03)
So if somebody’s listening to this next year, don’t go to her website and think, what the heck, you know, rates have gone up. They probably have. I don’t know. I don’t have a crystal ball. But
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:12)
Yeah. No, I don’t
Jason (24:14)
what I heard from that was, you know, people are spending I’m gonna say money, but
It’s also time. You mentioned specifically, you know, folks
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:22)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (24:22)
from North America. time is valuable. And the numbers you just mentioned, yeah, you know, these are people that have an opportunity to go to Scandinavia, go somewhere, have a vacation with their kids, their family, their partner, or maybe by themselves.
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:35)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Jason (24:37)
And it it seems like a r pretty great deal to me to to avoid those situations where, you know.
You’re like, ooh man, maybe I should have talked to somebody before I before
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:47)
Yeah.
Jason (24:48)
I, you know, went to the airport. So anyway.
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:50)
And then after I after
I give people their itinerary, I don’t just kind of shoo them away. Again, I have
Jason (24:55)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (24:55)
contact with them. People will ask questions or you know, like I was looking at booking this and I saw this other thing. Can you look at it? And and then also a lot of times I tell people that I will redo their itinerary based on what they booked. So maybe I gave them ten options for trip tours in Stockholm and they picked
Jason (25:14)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (25:14)
one or two. I will load them, put all the details, the time when they need to be where. So really giving
Jason (25:19)
wow.
Elaine Nelson Peik (25:20)
them a finalized itinerary based on what they book. I’ll put their flights in, I’ll put their train tickets in, put the PDF of the train tickets so they can just pull it up when they’re
Jason (25:30)
Wow.
Elaine Nelson Peik (25:30)
kind of traveling. So I use a a nice tour software that’s been great for all tour operators and agents and travel designers and it it kind of I can update it in real time.
They can see all of the information on their phone and I think they can even download a PDF of it while they’re traveling if they don’t have any Wi-Fi so they can kind of follow along and have the things that they need. So it’s a really great tool. So
Jason (25:52)
That’s that’s pretty cool. I
I don’t know, maybe but I’m guessing a lot of your competitors don’t do that. I’m because I’m imagining yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (25:59)
Some yeah, I would say th I’m
using one of the more popular ones and it is really a great tool
Jason (26:04)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (26:04)
for for the agents and then also for the clients because they can see things in real time. So if if there is a change with something or something gets cancelled, I can go back in there, they can give me the new information and I can kind of put it in there and set it up for them. They can’t edit it themselves, but
Jason (26:19)
I guess Right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (26:22)
I kind of have control so I know what I’m putting in and I know that that it’s correct and things like that. So they’re not
Trying to navigate something that they don’t understand, so
Jason (26:30)
Right.
I guess the reason I I find that so interesting is that they’re booking it and you’re still after the fact they’ve booked it and you’re still after the fact helping them organize the stuff, keep it straight so so when they
Elaine Nelson Peik (26:42)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (26:42)
actually go on the trip they’ve got maybe the hotel details, flight details, bus details for things that they’ve already booked, which I that’s that’s that I think you I think you need to raise your rates.
Elaine Nelson Peik (26:49)
Yeah. No, I I’m just I’ve been doing this a long time and I’m I’m just leaning into this right now and you know,
people need help and and
Jason (26:58)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (26:59)
this type of audience, you know, they they s everybody needs a little bit of help with some things like this. So I’m I’m just leaning into it and seeing where it goes. So
Jason (27:09)
So what is before we get into your history, what does the word Nordic really mean? Cause when I hear Nordic, I think Scandinavia.
Elaine Nelson Peik (27:18)
Mm.
Jason (27:18)
Maybe that’s close, but honestly, to some people, Nordic sounds north. So it could be all of northern Canada, it could be Alaska, it could be I don’t know, you tell me what does Nordic mean?
Elaine Nelson Peik (27:31)
Yeah. So
the basic core Nordic area that at least that I deal with is the Scandinavian countries, which is Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. And then the Nordic kind of bubble holds Scandinavia, and then also Finland, Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and then the the Northern Territory above Norway, which is Svalbard,
Jason (27:52)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (27:53)
which is very easy to get to from Norway.
Those are kind of the the areas that I deal with. I’ve also done the Baltics, which can get lumped in there a lot of times with a lot of the Nordic operators. So I’m familiar with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. They’re very easy to get to from Finland and Sweden. so a lot of people do combine those areas as well. But I would say the core Nordics are that Scandinavia, Finland, Iceland, Greenland, and the Faroe Islands.
Jason (28:22)
You mention Svalbard. Thank you for saying it again, because I was gonna ask you I know I was
Elaine Nelson Peik (28:23)
And Svalbard. That Mhm. Yeah, that’s where the polar bears are.
Jason (28:29)
gonna ask you about it, and then I’m like, I’m gonna get the name, I’m gonna pronounce it wrong, Svalbard. Okay,
Elaine Nelson Peik (28:33)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (28:34)
you mentioned when you mentioned Svalbard, you said the territory I what I heard was territory Svalbard, easy to get to from Norway. Is Svalbard
Elaine Nelson Peik (28:41)
Mm.
Jason (28:43)
part of the give me the geography lesson? Is it part of Norway? What’s it a territory of? Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (28:48)
Norway sort of takes care of Svalbard. It’s a territory,
so most anybody can go up there. it’s very rugged. it always kind of has been. it is kind of over again overseen by Norway, so a lot of the signs are Norwegian and the operators that kind of handle the tourism up there, Norwegian companies. very easy to fly from a nonstop from Oslo up to Longerbien, which is the main
city
Jason (29:13)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (29:13)
and then you can also get there from a northern city, Trumse. There’s
Jason (29:18)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (29:18)
a flight. And then there are cruises that that do go in and around there, but they’re really gonna start limiting them I believe it’s this year or next year. They’re really limiting that for environmental purposes to only allow a few companies to go in there and
Jason (29:29)
Aren’t they Got it?
Elaine Nelson Peik (29:32)
sail around. So
Jason (29:34)
Are they reducing the number the numbers or limiting it because it was getting too popular? I mean, were they seeing growth of visitors so they needed to cap it or it was just
Elaine Nelson Peik (29:41)
I think a little bit of both there’s
I think a little bit of both of environmental protection and then also kind of not promoting over tourism, which I’m also a very big advocate of. Let’s look at some places for people to go that aren’t over traveled. Cause that a
Jason (29:59)
Is there
Elaine Nelson Peik (30:00)
lot of times again with the influencers and social media and all that it’s like, I wanna go here and I wanna go here and it’s like well
How about we look at, you know, maybe picking one of those, but then also have you thought about this area? It’s a lot
Jason (30:11)
Right. Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (30:13)
less tourists there at that time, more things to choose from. what happens a lot of times is things are overrun and it’s hard to book. Like if you want to go somewhere in the winter that everybody wants to go to and you little
Okay, let’s book my tours now and then you go in and look and there’s nothing available because everybody’s going there. So there are so many other options
Jason (30:34)
Huh.
Elaine Nelson Peik (30:35)
for a lot of it. For the fjords, for n you know, kind of that Lapland area of Finland, Sweden
Jason (30:39)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (30:40)
and Norway. There’s so many options. So just seeing stuff on the internet or on social media, you know, that’s just like a drop in the bucket of what’s actually up there or there in general.
Jason (30:51)
That’s a r that’s a really good
that’s a really good point because whether you do it or somebody else puts together an HNR, i we all know like, okay, you start booking them. Maybe the first place books fine. And then you go to the second place and you realize, crap. There’s there’s no rooms in this whole town.
Elaine Nelson Peik (31:07)
Mm-hmm. There is no yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jason (31:10)
And because it’s a Friday during music fest or whatever, right? There’s all kinds of reasons
Elaine Nelson Peik (31:14)
Mm.
Jason (31:16)
and then you gotta rethink the whole thing and you’ve got the back and forth. And if you can avo boy, if you can avoid s just some of that or at least have somebody there to help you g help provide alternatives, that’s that’s worth a lot a lot more money probably than than what they’re paying you.
Elaine Nelson Peik (31:30)
Yeah.
Jason (31:31)
you when I mention when we when I mentioned and we discussed Svalbard.
Elaine Nelson Peik (31:37)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (31:38)
You immediately said I saw your eyes light up and you said, yeah, that’s where the polar bears are. Which is what I had heard as well. And I I got the impression that that’s like kind of if you want to see polar bears, that’s where you go. Are there alternatives? Because you mentioned they’re starting to limit the options and you like to help people
Elaine Nelson Peik (31:54)
Mm.
Jason (31:54)
find alternatives. If you want to see a polar bear, I mean I know they’re in Canada, but I don’t know how easy it is to go see them there. I’m sure there are other places, but if you
Elaine Nelson Peik (32:02)
Yeah. That I don’t that I’m not
quite sure of, but I would say that especially in Svalbard, like if you’re in Longerbean and you do kind of a day trip out or you go snowmobiling or whatever, you’re going out with a guide and they have protection because they will they they have been known to pop out. And so
Jason (32:18)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (32:19)
you don’t want to just be out there by yourself and not have anybody who
Jason (32:22)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (32:23)
knows what they’re doing or be on one of the the
kind of ships that have been designated to go up in those areas and having, you know, cruising around and you might see them floating on an iceberg or wherever they are, but they really try to keep them up and away from where a lot of the population is. The same thing for
Jason (32:39)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (32:39)
Greenland, like they try to keep the polar bears up in the northern part. And that’s
Jason (32:44)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (32:44)
n there’s not a lot of people heading up there. they try to just kind of keep them isolated so they’re not roaming around with
everybody walking down the street and things like that. And they do get out and they do
Jason (32:54)
Well
Elaine Nelson Peik (32:56)
kind of escape and float around and things like that. But I would say that I would say the best chance you have of maybe seeing one would be up in Svalbard on on
Jason (33:04)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (33:05)
one of the cruises or something similar to that. So yeah.
Jason (33:09)
All right. I feel like
there’s a whole nother conversation around the bears. I’ve I’ve I’ve had I have had a conversation released recently with somebody that spent an awful lot of time up there specifically involved with the the Bears
Elaine Nelson Peik (33:20)
Mm.
Jason (33:20)
and it was it was an interesting conversation. But I also, you know, we you mentioned well they try and keep them up north but I think I I think I can say it, I don’t know, is well that’s
Ops protect them too, right? Because they don’t need to be around humans because humans are not necessarily the best thing Yeah, i exactly. So we can say keep
Elaine Nelson Peik (33:31)
Mm. Right. We’re invading their space, so trying to keep them away from
Jason (33:40)
them up north or or keep the people out of the area where the polar bears are is maybe
Elaine Nelson Peik (33:45)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (33:46)
another way to say that. I don’t know, but it’s it’s fascinating. I’ve never seen one. I’d I would I would love to and you and I are gonna have a conversation after this and help figure out how I can make that happen. So thank you.
All right, let’s let’s figure out how the heck because you kind of touched on it, you alluded some of the stuff you were doing and why a little bit about kind of why you decided to transition and start doing what you’re doing right now. But let’s let’s go back a little further than that. I I want to hear
Elaine Nelson Peik (34:12)
Yeah.
Jason (34:13)
about, you know, 14 year old Elaine. What was she thinking? What did she think she was gonna do when she grew up, that type of thing. So you d that we don’t need to start with that question, but
Let’s go back. How far do we need to go back to kind of get an understanding for how you ended up doing this kind of work and and and why we’re having this conversation today?
Elaine Nelson Peik (34:31)
Yeah, I would say if you wanna you know, the first memories I have of kind of the Scandinavian community was my dad used to take me on his bike and we’d go down to Minneha Falls in South Minneapolis. It’s every four Sunday in June was kind of a big Swedish festival that used to be in the Twin Cities and it was started in I wanna say the twenties or thirties by all of the immigrants that came over and they
Just kinda wanted to celebrate the midsummer in the community and it just kind of continued. and I just thought, hey, this is kinda cool. There’s little kids up on the stage with swedish costumes on, dancing and doing all the
Jason (35:06)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (35:07)
things and and then I saw them again, I think when I was four or five, and I was like, that looks really cool. So I started Swedish dancing. So my d my great grandparents
Jason (35:13)
Is your is your dad Yeah. Is your d is your dad Swedish? Help me make the connection as to why he was
going your great grandparents.
Elaine Nelson Peik (35:21)
Yeah.
My great grandparents all immigrated. My father’s family is Swedish. and then my mother’s family’s her mother’s side is Norwegian and then my grandfather his her mother her dad was of Danish descent. And so all of my great grandparents were the ones that kind of came over all came over to the Twin Cities. I think my Norwegian great grandma was in Wisconsin initially and then came here.
so we’ve
Jason (35:47)
You know
Elaine Nelson Peik (35:47)
been here for quite a while and it’s kind of the
Jason (35:49)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (35:50)
people call it kind of the Scandinavian capital of the Midwest. And there are so many Scandinavian communities all around in Wisconsin and Iowa and the Dakotas and all sorts of stuff. but there’s a lot of different organizations that have are here and kind of have big followings and the museums and all that sort of stuff. So I’ve always really
Jason (36:08)
Right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (36:08)
been involved with the that community, you could say.
Jason (36:11)
think be if you don’t mind because I think a lot of listeners that have not spent time in that area or maybe aren’t even you know very familiar with the US I kinda knew that I grew up in Montana Wyoming I I kinda knew that there were a lot of Scandinavians around the topic came up every once in while. you know you think Minnesota Vikings the football team and there’s you know all that stuff.
Elaine Nelson Peik (36:33)
Mm.
Jason (36:34)
Why do you know the history enough to
help me understand why there are so many Scandinavians in Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota in that part of the country, or we don’t need to go too deep into that. I was just curious.
Elaine Nelson Peik (36:46)
I mean
no, I I think, you know, we all it n nowadays it can be a bit of a touchy subject and I understand why, but it was all of the farmers that kind of immigrated over here. And there was
Jason (36:57)
okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (36:58)
a lot of farmers from like in Sweden from Vermland, which is a province. There’s twenty some odd provinces in Sweden and the the kind of farming community
that came over from there. And I believe also from Finland. there’s a lot of the Finnish community over in the Dakotas, in the kind
Jason (37:15)
Hm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (37:15)
of very, very flat areas, that kind of came over and that’s kind of why they came, because it’s like, my gosh, it looks so much like it does in Scandinavia with the lakes and the forests and the the land and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, that was I would say the initial kind of draw that
Jason (37:31)
Okay. Makes sense.
Elaine Nelson Peik (37:32)
brought a lot of
people over here in the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. I did a national history project with some of the ladies that worked with my mother down at the American Swedish Institute and they all immigrated back in the thirties, I think. And I kind of imi interviewed them as to like
Where they initially moved to, what kind of community did they live in? Who did they mix and mingle with? And so back back at that day was like mixing and mingling the Swedes, the Norwegians, and the Danes. It was kind of like, my gosh. But like they all found each other and they all kind of congregated down on seven corners here in Minneapolis. And there was a big dance hall and they all kind of got together
Jason (38:10)
Cool.
Elaine Nelson Peik (38:11)
and and met each other there and kind of had community and things like that. So that that project
And I did that in high school and that was kind of my continuation of kind of the interest of like heritage and what does that mean and some people,
Jason (38:24)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (38:24)
you know, they’re like, Well, I think I’m German or I think I’m whatever. So I I’ve history and and heritage travel has always kind of been on my radar, you could say. I just have
Jason (38:33)
Yeah. Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (38:34)
had an interest in it, ’cause if people wanna go back and find out where maybe their great great grandparents
came from or their great aunt, whoever, and they wanna go find a farm, that hey, I’m here to help.
Jason (38:45)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (38:46)
So
Jason (38:47)
You you mentioned when I asked I think I pretty much asked you why are there so many Scandinavians in Minnesota and Wisconsin. And you kind of started out it sounded like you started out a little bit with, well, it can be kind of a touchy subject. I don’t know how deeply into politics we need to go, but tell me more about why you said that.
Elaine Nelson Peik (38:58)
Yeah, because I think we no, I know, Abby
but I think now, especially in the Minneapolis St Paul community, there’s a lot of kind of understanding of like, yes, they came over and kind of a lot of farmers came over and things like that. But I think there’s a a more of a let’s work with the whole community now as a whole. And so we’ve really done a lot with different communities and different
people from different heritage and countries and all that stuff that have come over and trying to kind of cooperate and work together and understand that, you know, we we I’m I’m also very
Jason (39:33)
Think I know I think I know where you’re going with this.
Elaine Nelson Peik (39:37)
v happy and passionate about that because I love that I live in a city that is kind of embracing, you know, like everybody lives here. And so let’s understand a little bit about all the different communities and let’s embrace each other. And so it
Jason (39:52)
Cause
it’s not just Scandinavians.
Elaine Nelson Peik (39:53)
It makes me happy that people
are, yeah, just kind of understanding, yes, I might be Scandinavian, but I also have so many other people in my community that are proud of who they are and where they came from and let’s let’s understand each other together and work together and have community. So that’s that’s in a nutshell, that’s that’s me and that’s what I’m proud of.
Jason (40:12)
That th that make that makes sense. And again, we’re having
we’re having the conversation in August twenty twenty six. It’s been an
Elaine Nelson Peik (40:18)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (40:18)
interesting last last couple of years around
Elaine Nelson Peik (40:21)
Yes.
Jason (40:22)
immigration from a variety of different places. You’ve kind of maybe got the older immigrant families and then the newer immigrants and and
Elaine Nelson Peik (40:27)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jason (40:30)
so I get that. That makes sense. Thank you for going there with me.
Elaine Nelson Peik (40:31)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Jason (40:34)
the other thing that I you said there’s a lot of heritage type travel. What I heard there was
Maybe people that live close to you now that wanna go to Scandinavia to find a kind of connect with their their roots. Maybe they want to go see the farm their grandparents were born on that type of thing, right? Is that am I tracking? Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (40:52)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jason (40:56)
I know after living in New England for a while and just working in the travel business for a long time, I know the Irish, people of Irish heritage are pretty serious about that.
Elaine Nelson Peik (41:06)
Mm.
Jason (41:07)
As well, probably a little bit, I’m probably a little bit more familiar with that, probably because I’ve been to Ireland. And
Elaine Nelson Peik (41:12)
Yeah.
Jason (41:12)
so that helps. There’s a there’s a lot of, I guess, memes or kind of jokey things on the social media sometimes where you’ve got the person that shows up at the bar, the pub in Ireland on their first trip to Ireland. You know, they live in Boston or whatever, and they walk in and like, I’m Irish, you know, my last name is this, and and the
Elaine Nelson Peik (41:31)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (41:32)
people that live in Ireland look at them like, yeah, whatever.
Buddy. so I’m wondering, are Scandinavians is that a is that a meme or kind of a a stereotype? When Scandinavians go to Scandinavia, do they approach it as like I’m from here as I know that’s a stereotype, but I’m gonna I wanna ask you anyway, I just wanna hear your thoughts.
Elaine Nelson Peik (41:52)
I I would say sometimes. a lot of times my Scandinavian relatives they’d come over here. I had some of the Norwegian family come over for my wedding years ago and they they kinda joked that we were more Norwegian than the Norwegians and kind of embracing
Jason (42:06)
that’s interesting.
Elaine Nelson Peik (42:07)
the past traditions and all that stuff and some things
Jason (42:10)
Ooh.
Elaine Nelson Peik (42:10)
that they think is completely silly, but we still do it. So they like some type of food that we eat or some sort of
celebration. So I think there it it can be like that, but it can be that, you know, people are really w again with the technology, there’s so many more ways that people can find out about new traditions or really old traditions that the American Scandinavians had no idea about. Because they just nobody
Jason (42:36)
Well, yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (42:37)
did that when they came over back in the early nineteen hundreds. So yeah.
Jason (42:40)
That’s really
that’s actually very super interesting to me. I did not expect that, but it makes sense
Elaine Nelson Peik (42:46)
Mm.
Jason (42:46)
because in let’s say Sweden, Norway, which again I don’t know anything about, but they probably don’t have the Swedish cultural center. They probably have centers, they probably have some investment in maintaining culture.
But I can see where a Swedish or Norwegian community in in St. Paul or Minneapolis or something might say, hey, we’re gonna go every Sunday and work really hard to maintain the traditions and we’re gonna have the little
Elaine Nelson Peik (43:11)
Mm.
Jason (43:12)
little girls dancing on the stage and we’re gonna like this is our whole purpose in life is to continue these traditions. And so
Elaine Nelson Peik (43:18)
Mm.
Jason (43:18)
and people living in Sweden Norway are like
Elaine Nelson Peik (43:22)
Yeah,
what are you doing? Or you know, the there’s a Swedish hid dance group at the open air museum in Stockholm, but like I don’t you know
Jason (43:22)
You know. Yeah, you know. And they’re probably
they’re more excited about the maybe well, I I don’t wanna speak for anybody, but they may be excited about new things coming into Sweden from outside of Sweden. you know, popular restaurants, media, stuff like that. They’re watching they’re watching, you know, T V shows. Well, I mean obviously they do they do their own T V and stuff there, but
I sound I do not sound like someone that’s done a lot of traveling in the last thirty seconds. I might have to edit that out. But anyway, thank you.
Elaine Nelson Peik (43:55)
Yeah. No, I I I think it’s you know, it’s
it’s so interesting to me. And I
Jason (44:00)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:01)
I think that, you know, everybody’s got a different version of what heritage means to them and I think it’s just,
Jason (44:06)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:07)
you know, people that are up for investigating stuff because they just don’t know maybe where their family’s from and I’m just more than happy to help them kinda figure that out or point them in the right direction so they can find something. So
Jason (44:19)
It’s a
pretty cool, pretty cool excuse to go to a pretty cool part of the world too, even if it’s just
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:23)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (44:23)
psycho if hey we I I know I want to go somewhere. I’ve been spending my weekends at the the you know, the cultural center in Minneapolis.
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:30)
Mm.
Jason (44:31)
Hey, maybe we should go to Sweden or Norway. That’s pretty cool. All
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:34)
Yeah.
Jason (44:34)
right, so let’s go back to when you were little and you’d you’d go to these things and you thought, wow, this is pretty cool. And then you started taking, did you say Swedish dance classes or Norwegian?
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:44)
I was in a Swedish
I was in a Swedish dance group. was
Jason (44:47)
How?
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:48)
boys and girls, up to eight like four to eighteen.
Jason (44:52)
All right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (44:53)
we practiced every Saturday. We kind of did different performances. There was a thing called the Festival of Nations that was here for years and
Jason (44:59)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (45:00)
years and so we would perform that was kind of our big performance of the year and we also did the Swedish Midsummer Festival and there’s a couple other ones that we did. But we also performed another random
events that people would request some cultural thing and so that was really fun. And then I got connected with the Concordia language villages which are here kind of scattered all over central Minnesota and you can learn anything from Korean, French, Japanese, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, German. and you kind of go to these
summer camps and you can spend anywhere from a week to a month and you’re kind of immersed in the culture. So you’re learning the language and some of the traditions and eating the f the food and the kind of the the people that are there for the the month long programs are getting a language credit for high school. So I did that for three years instead of taking it in high school. So
Jason (45:52)
Okay. You said so
it sounds a lot more fun actually than sitting through a year of class in in high school.
Elaine Nelson Peik (45:59)
Yeah, that was way more fun than sitting at a desk. Mm-hmm.
Jason (46:02)
y you said Concordia, is that Concordia College? Which is actually probably more of a univers I don’t know how the difference between a college and university, but I’m imagining you’re right. All right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (46:05)
Mm. Concordia College. Yeah in Moorhead, Minnesota. Yep. Mm-hmm.
Jason (46:12)
So so like kind of cultural summer camps and you could just pick the culture you wanted to be immersed in and and go there. That’s
Elaine Nelson Peik (46:16)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Some people would
do two or three of in the summer. So yeah, I had I did the Swedish one.
Jason (46:22)
That’s pretty cool. Which ones did you do? Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (46:26)
But that that kind of site also hosted the there was a a Russian village and then they moved to another site that they shared after I graduated. They shared a village with the Finnish community that would be Swedish for part of the summer and
Finish for the other part. So
Jason (46:44)
How many how many kids you said you did a few it sounds like a few years? Like
Elaine Nelson Peik (46:48)
Yeah.
Jason (46:49)
was this a large group of kids at the Swedish Wow.
Elaine Nelson Peik (46:51)
Yeah, a couple hundred kids that were there. And
then for the qu credit program, I think there was like maybe twenty five of us on average. Twenty five to thirty.
Jason (46:59)
Okay, so the credit pr when you say
the credit program, they’re the ones that would just stay a little longer? I
Elaine Nelson Peik (47:03)
Mm. We would stay for
four weeks. So we would, you know, go to class several times a day, but we’d also do other activities and some of the things that the kind of the one or two week campers would be there for. So you’d have relaxing time or you’d do arts and crafts or whatever it is. But we would also celebrate all kind of the big holidays. So we’d have Swedish Christmas, we’d have
Swedish Midsummer with a May pole and the dancing
Jason (47:27)
In July. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (47:29)
and the whole thing. So it’s kinda fun. But yeah, that was kind of my camp memories as a kid. So
Jason (47:34)
The Maple.
Well it’s tell me about real quick, the Maple.
Elaine Nelson Peik (47:38)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (47:39)
I think I know I don’t know. You what is a Maple?
Elaine Nelson Peik (47:42)
It’s a it’s called the Maestang and it’s a a big tall pole with they have kind of rings around the outside of it and then people will decorate it with greens and flowers and you put it up on midsummer, which is the longest day of the year. and then they would dance around it and do traditional kind of Scandinavian dances. I know that
Finland does it but they also do more of I think they concentrate more on like bonfires and things like that. But it’s kind of a celebration of the longest day of the year. So
Jason (48:12)
It actually
sounds r really fun. I as someone as someone
Elaine Nelson Peik (48:14)
Yeah, it is fun. Eat a lot of stuff
and dance and sing and have some Aquavete schnapps. Yeah.
Jason (48:21)
I
I gotta I gotta be honest, I never once thought living in Minnesota or Wisconsin would be that interesting. And and
Elaine Nelson Peik (48:28)
Yeah.
Jason (48:28)
I I don’t mean that I’m not saying that I thought it was bad place. I just but listening to you, I’m like, that sounds really cool. Like with the that handful of different cultures right there and in
Elaine Nelson Peik (48:39)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (48:39)
the summers like we didn’t have that in Wyoming when I was growing up. We had a lot of Scandinavians, but we didn’t have get togethers like that.
Elaine Nelson Peik (48:47)
Yeah.
Jason (48:47)
all right, that’s that’s really cool. Did the kids as you recall, cause I know it was only a couple of years ago that you were still in high school and doing all this?
Elaine Nelson Peik (48:56)
Just two or three, you know.
Jason (48:58)
so you probably you probably remember this, probably easy question. the kids, both yourself and the other kids that were involved, young people, teenagers, were most of them there because they were excited to be there, or was this
My grandparents were from Sweden, so I didn’t have a choice. I’m at Swedish camp, this summer. Was it or
Elaine Nelson Peik (49:18)
I would say the
little kids, you know, obviously were you know, people would send their kids to camp, but I would say the older ones, once you hit late junior high, high school, they were all there because they wanted to be there. So good
Jason (49:29)
Okay. All right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (49:31)
community, good they just wanted to learn more about traditions and also have that as kind of their language focus. So I think it was good community.
And especially too
Jason (49:40)
Right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (49:40)
with with the dancing and some of the other things that I was involved with, the older that you got, the people that were there really they wanted to be there. They were forced to be there.
Jason (49:50)
Did the the boys you know, similar age boys in your community, were they as enthusiastic about, you know, the dance troop dance group and and all that stuff? Was it okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (49:59)
There was a good handful of that that were yeah, there was
a you know, there wasn’t you know, there might been in the dance group like twenty girls but only like f five guys. But, you
Jason (50:09)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (50:10)
know, the ones that were there they wanted to be there, so yeah.
Jason (50:13)
Yeah.
‘Cause it it seems like, looking at some other cultures, some of the the dancing you know, is is important to the men. You know, there’s some cultures I spent some time in in the country of Georgia over the year this last year and I’ve been a few other places where
Elaine Nelson Peik (50:30)
Mm.
Jason (50:31)
the male dancers are quite not I mean on par with females.
Elaine Nelson Peik (50:36)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (50:37)
It it’s like a super serious part of their conversation. You can have the biggest, burliest
masculine looking dude. and they’re amazing dancers. And
Elaine Nelson Peik (50:46)
Mm.
Jason (50:46)
then there’s other, you know, communities or whatever when you don’t have that cultural connection, it’s just dancing. Like, yeah, I’m not gonna or but also Latin America. I mean, there’s like the salsa
Elaine Nelson Peik (50:54)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (50:55)
dancers, the bachata dancers. and for some reason in the US, maybe outside of the area you live in, dancing’s not that popular for guys. So I just I guess that’s I don’t know why. I mean
Elaine Nelson Peik (51:04)
Yeah. And we have
some adult groups too and there I would say there’s more men in the adult groups. They kind of just come back and
Jason (51:10)
Yeah, Rickle.
Elaine Nelson Peik (51:12)
it’s not embarrassing and then, you know, okay. But
Jason (51:14)
Yeah, that’s cool.
Elaine Nelson Peik (51:15)
I’ve seen a lot of actually resurgence of more local dance groups too in Scandinavia. I was just in Sweden this spring and I was in the Uppsala area doing an inspection trip after a workshop and they had
some the folk dance group that was in this little castle that we were touring, in that area. And I thought, that’s cool that people are wanting to take interest in that again and kind of
Jason (51:39)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (51:40)
it’s not just something that people did 150 years ago and then now nobody wants to do it. So it’s kinda fun.
Jason (51:46)
Right. Yeah, yeah. That’s very cool. What’s
your dad because obviously you had a lot of cultural influence growing up. It’s start it’s making sense. I see where we’re going with this.
Elaine Nelson Peik (51:56)
Mm.
Jason (51:57)
well, I I I I see why you’re a little bit of why you’re doing what you’re doing, but I want to shift it a little bit into kind of your family life. Like, what were your parents into other than the cultural stuff? Like what kind of work did your parents
Parents do what was what other things were going on kind of in your childhood as around that stuff that you’re willing to share with the world?
Elaine Nelson Peik (52:18)
Mm, I was really big into sports.
My dad was a machinist, so he
Jason (52:22)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (52:23)
and
machining business and that’s kind of what they did. I don’t know how my grandfather
Jason (52:26)
We’re we’re
Elaine Nelson Peik (52:27)
got into that, but made parts for things like hearing aids and stuff
Jason (52:32)
Go.
Elaine Nelson Peik (52:32)
that would go into microwaves or just d random little metal parts and things like that. But my dad really you know he they worked really hard on that but they really enjoyed kind of coming home and doing
not just heritage stuff, but like w I played soccer and basketball and he was my coach and we did a lot of that kind of a thing. So that was really great. And my mom kind of embraced all of that. And being that she was more in the Norwegian and Danish community, she wasn’t doing a lot of that when she met my dad. And my dad
Jason (53:03)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (53:03)
kinda got her she was like, this is really interesting. So
She actually for years worked down at the American Swedish Institute with all the Swedish ladies
and so we always joke that my mom was a a little Norwegian and Swedish lady living in a Swedish world. And she just really in embraced that. But then she’d started working at a different shop that was more Scandinavian and kind of really got to embrace some of the other
parts of her heritage and cultural things and meeting some more of the Norwegian and Danish community here in the Twin Cities and loved doing that. She really did. So
Jason (53:36)
Yeah. Were
were either of them did either of them strike you when you were young as being the adventurous like go travel, like go
Elaine Nelson Peik (53:44)
Mm.
Jason (53:45)
to Scan and maybe we’re getting there. But you know, was was travel kind of on the radar? Did you guys
Elaine Nelson Peik (53:51)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (53:52)
do things as a family other than the cultural events there in in the Midwest? I mean, what was that? What was that like?
Elaine Nelson Peik (53:58)
Yeah.
travel was always really important and I really thank my parents for giving me that perspective because I think traveling anywhere kind of opens your eyes to different cultures and things like that. So they did a lot of travel, n not you know, they didn’t go super far. They’ve done a lot of things in Europe, but like we were every summer we’d go somewhere different, whether it was some different place in Canada or
some different spot in the US we would always take off. We didn’t have a cabin, so my my dad just, you know, really wanted to kind of explore different places and things and kind of spend money on that instead of heading up to the cabin every weekend and doing something. So that was I I I kinda liked that aspect of my life.
Jason (54:43)
You just you just
you just mentioned something that resonated with me and I realized, that’s an inter that’s interesting because yeah, so even in Wyoming and I’ve been and I lived in New England for a while, there’s the people that have the cabin or
Elaine Nelson Peik (54:58)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (54:58)
or the boat, you know, sometimes it’s a boat on a lake or whatever it is, and that’s
Elaine Nelson Peik (55:02)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (55:02)
what they do every weekend. And almost to the point of like
They might not even occur to them to go anywhere else because we’ve got this cabin we’ve invested in. We almost like we have to go every weekend just to make sure it’s okay or whatever. And then there’s the people that don’t have a cabin that frees them up to to go
Elaine Nelson Peik (55:19)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (55:19)
explore other things. And the reason it resonates with me is because I’ve been living the digital nomad lifestyle the last five years.
Elaine Nelson Peik (55:27)
Yeah.
Jason (55:28)
So I don’t have a cabin. Which means I
Elaine Nelson Peik (55:29)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (55:30)
just kind of
You know, every week I wake up and I wonder where I’m gonna go next week. that’s interesting. Do you think it was that’s really I don’t know. I’ll have to I’m gonna be thinking about this all day.
Elaine Nelson Peik (55:37)
Yeah, I don’t know, they just Yeah, my yeah, I would say my grant my dad’s
parents, they were really pushing travel even way back in the fifties. My dad still talks about his first trip in nineteen sixty four, I think. They went for five weeks and they didn’t just do Scandinavia. They were down in France and Germany and England and Italy and they did like the whole whole thing and the logistics at that point. I I can’t even imagine. I think the company they
Jason (56:01)
They didn’t have someone like you putting
it all together, did they?
Elaine Nelson Peik (56:03)
No, they did they worked with a company
a local travel agency here called Birch Travel. They’re still around. but I found all their travel documents when I was cleaning out the basement this winter and kind of looking at all the
Jason (56:16)
Wow.
Elaine Nelson Peik (56:16)
stuff that my grandma kind of put together for their their trip and how they got around and the train tickets and all all that stuff. So that was really fun to to find. But
Jason (56:25)
I’m curious.
Elaine Nelson Peik (56:26)
the just that’s always kind of been an important factor in my dad’s life.
Jason (56:29)
Curious what your yeah,
I’m curious what you think because sometimes because I’ve had enough of these conversations and I’ve also you know, I’m I’m fascinated by psychology, personality types, and all that stuff. And when you mentioned that your dad was a machinist, oftentimes somebody that does that type of work might be kind of the engineer type, the
really into things, and maybe not as always w you know, into the social stuff and traveling and all that stuff. But then you said that it was kind of a multi-generational thing, a family thing that he was a machinist. So I’m curious if his family did not have this machining business, do you think he would have done something totally different or you think he would have still ended up in some sort of manufacturing type thing?
Elaine Nelson Peik (57:15)
You know, I don’t know, he talks a lot about he went to the University of Minnesota for two years. He got his associate’s degree. But
Jason (57:21)
Uh-huh.
Elaine Nelson Peik (57:21)
he thought about, you know, what else he could be doing and he talked about being a veterinarian. He’s talked about that over the years and that was kind
Jason (57:27)
Hmm. wow. Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (57:29)
of interest but he just kinda got drawn into the business and then never ended up leaving it. So, yeah, I don’t know if he has regrets, but he he talks about it once in a while. But I think he
really was glad that he was able to enjoy his kind of after hours and it wasn’t just
Jason (57:46)
Okay, so
Elaine Nelson Peik (57:47)
living twenty four hours at the machine shop and feeling stuck there or anything like that. So yeah.
Jason (57:51)
Right. So I guess
part of why I wanted to ask a question was a little bit of what how did that influence you? Cause if he’s got, you know, part of the family business that maybe doesn’t strike the same chords as the travel stuff, which it sounds like he really enjoyed,
Elaine Nelson Peik (58:07)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason (58:10)
do you think it influenced you kind of watching him and maybe your mom, did that have an impact on you kind of?
Spreading your wings and going and doing different stuff because I know you didn’t go straight into the travel stuff. You chose something, as I recall, that’s a little bit more traditional. So I’d love
Elaine Nelson Peik (58:28)
Yeah.
Jason (58:29)
to kind of dig into that. Like, you know, what were your parents encouraging you to do? What did you feel like you needed to do as a teenager for your life? And then let’s figure out how you ended up doing more of the travel adventure stuff.
Elaine Nelson Peik (58:39)
Yeah.
I was really into sports. I would say from third grade on I was a three sport a year kid. my parents were very supportive of that. and then with that I went to Gustavus Adolphus College here and it’s about an hour away from the city’s Swedish school. I d I took Swedish for like a semester, but that was about it.
Jason (58:59)
Did you did
you hang out with
Elaine Nelson Peik (59:00)
But I
Jason (59:01)
when you were young, did you hang out with anybody that didn’t have a Scandinavian lineage? Okay, I was just curious. Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (59:05)
yeah. Yep. Being from South Minneapolis I had all different kind of friend groups and things like that. So yeah.
but I I my focus was on I was certified K twelve health and physical education. So I I
Jason (59:18)
okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (59:19)
really wanted to teach like elementary school fiad. I thought that was fun, just getting kids interested in being active and
Jason (59:26)
When did that when do you remember the first time when you thought I’m gonna be a phys ed instructor?
Elaine Nelson Peik (59:32)
I don’t know, I think I was trying to decide what I wanted to do when I was at college and I looked at like athletic training and
Jason (59:36)
So you were already in school, okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (59:39)
things like that. And I knew I wanted to do something with athletics or sport or something like that. And so this I kind of happened
Jason (59:44)
Okay. There’s
Elaine Nelson Peik (59:46)
upon it and I was like, I think I could do that. And then I student taught and
Jason (59:49)
Seems like the obvious it seems like the obvious choice. I don’t
know, you educate me a little bit on this, but if you’re really into sports and you know you want to do something with sports and you go to s school, did you start as a major in recreation or sports or something like that? I mean, when you first started there, did you have a major?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:08)
I well I declared sophomore year, my
Jason (1:00:10)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:10)
major of health in Fayed.
Jason (1:00:13)
Okay, so it seems like a reasonable
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:15)
yeah.
Jason (1:00:15)
thing to it seems I’m guessing most people that would declare a major like that probably have the thought of doing phys ed. Is that right? Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:23)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jason (1:00:25)
But now the c I I I’m just I told you I didn’t have a planned list of questions.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:29)
No, no.
Jason (1:00:29)
But what I what I really want to know is if I if I did meet you, Elaine, when you were, let’s say, 15, we can adjust the age a little if if the age isn’t too relevant, but if I met you when you were in high school
Doing three sports a year and going to these these language camps. I know that’s not what you called them, but language camps.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:47)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:00:49)
And I I said, Elaine, what do you want to do when you grow up? What do you think you would have answered? Do you do you recall? What you were thinking about? Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:00:55)
In high school, I don’t
know if I w would have had the answer at that point
Jason (1:01:00)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:01:00)
at all. I never was like I wanna be a tea like I I would have said n if you would have said do you want to be a teacher, I probably would have said no at that point.
Jason (1:01:08)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:01:09)
But yeah, I don’t know. It was just kind of a it felt like a natural progression, but I feel like I had to really investigate things to arrive at that said.
Jason (1:01:17)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:01:19)
You know, conclusion at that point.
Jason (1:01:19)
Do you All right.
No, f no, fair enough. As you know, sometimes kids are like immediately they start I wanna be an astronaut, I wanna be a doctor, I
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:01:28)
Yeah.
Jason (1:01:29)
wanna be a veterinarian, and others just kind of taking it in and and exposing themselves to things before they commit to anything. So all right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:01:35)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jason (1:01:37)
So you get to school, you decide, okay, I’m gonna be I’m gonna go phys ed in health. you’ve
Walk me from there. What what happened? Did you actually end up with a teaching job?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:01:47)
I I was I did my student teaching and then I was a substitute teacher in a couple different districts to kinda get my foot in the door. while I was doing that, I was also part of this Swedish festival organization, helping with that and going to the meetings a fr an old friend of mine from my dance group, Swedish dance group, who I hadn’t talked to for years, was
I started talking to her again and she’s like, I got this really great job at at a a Nordic travel agency or a Nordic tour operator. I think you would really like it. And I looked at her like, Well, I have my teaching license and I’m trying to get a teaching job and and she’s like, I think you would really like it. I think just come in one day. So I went in and interviewed kind of just I I
was very ill prepared for it and I went in and interviewed with this woman who would have been my boss then for the next seventeen years and I just she just said, I think you would really like this. You’ve been over there a few times. You’re really in touch with your relatives over there. You speak Swedish. it’s really fun to kind of put t trips together for people to go see, you know, kind of where your heritage is from. And I thought, okay, so
I hadn’t gotten a teaching job then at that point so I started with them January of ninety nine and I was there until middle twenty fifteen.
Jason (1:03:01)
When you started that job, did you think I’ll do this for a while until I get a teaching job? Or or
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:03:06)
At first, yeah,
’cause I renewed my teaching license twice. So I kind of wasn’t
Jason (1:03:09)
Okay. Huh. How long did it take?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:03:16)
I think up until probably what two thousand and three. I’d had my first a kid and I just came back and I thought this is a really great environment for me. I’ve
feel really comfortable with what I’m doing now. I really like what I’m doing. I like the people that I work with. and it you know was, you know, less than a mile from my house too, where I was working, so
Jason (1:03:37)
You know, it’s
I I don’t know this to be the case. I don’t know enough teachers to know this, but in my
Teachers, maybe after their first couple of years, are like, go work for a travel company helping people book trips to a place that I’m interested in. Heck yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:03:52)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:03:53)
No brainer. my gosh, I’m in dream job. but when I hear you describe it, and the and the reason I’m asking is because I want you to correct me if I’m wrong, but when I hear you describing it, it’s like, well, yeah, I guess I can do this for a while until I until I get a teaching job.
And it took a while before you kind of said, You know what, this is actually a pretty good job And I’m not
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:04:12)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:04:12)
trying to put words in your mouth. I’m just asking ’cause I think I heard it wrong. I don’t know. So was was it? Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:04:16)
No, that’s exactly it because when I renewed my license
the first time I was still up you know.
thinking, I’m I’m gonna I’m not gonna be here forever and th the more I was the more I was there, the more I enjoyed it and the more I realized that, you know, I also like this. I like sports, but I also like the Nordic heritage stuff. So that’s
Jason (1:04:35)
Did
you did you did you feel like you were giving up your dream at any point? Like the dream of was there a dream of being a teacher or was it
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:04:44)
No, I I think I also had kind of really wrecked both of my ankles playing sports and so I had to have surgery and so playing in college was out of the question and that really broke my heart and so I got my minor in coaching and I’ve done that with my kids. I’ve coached a lot of their
Jason (1:05:01)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:05:01)
baseball and soccer teams and so I’ve kind of s I I’ve still kept that in my life and I think that’s still really important and
Both of my sons know that, you know, women in sports is really important and coaching and all that stuff. But they kind of s I think I’ve given them kind of a well rounded picture of me
Jason (1:05:21)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:05:22)
that I’ve really pursued a lot of different interests. I’m also I used to play the piano so I started picking that up like a year ago. I kind of f
Jason (1:05:28)
You got
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:05:29)
unfolded the the top and started dinging around on the piano. So just trying to
keep different i interests in my life and I think that’s important for everybody, whether it’s, you know,
Jason (1:05:38)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:05:39)
whatever hobby they had or whatever really they were passionate about. I think that’s important for everybody. Whatever it is that they they like, they should pursue it or continue it ’cause there’s usually a casual way people can do stuff. They don’t have to professionally do anything. They can just do it for fun.
Jason (1:05:54)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:05:56)
So
Jason (1:05:56)
What about your kids and travel? How enthusiastic are they about trips, travel? Can you see, you know, any of them following your following your path?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:06:07)
I would say so. Yeah, my both of my kids have over the years done things. my younger son was with scouts and they did a lot of different hiking trips kind of all over the US. He really enjoyed that. we took him on a couple of trips to Scandinavia now before you know, like in when they were in high school and things like that. They really enjoyed that. And now my older son who’s now got a job and he and his partner they’re
traveling around. She had never really been anywhere and so they were up in Canada a couple weeks ago. Neither of had been up there and so they planned the whole thing on their own and they went to Iceland last summer. yeah, so I think
Jason (1:06:41)
Very cool.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:06:42)
they they both have the travel bug and I’m glad for that. You know, and I if I’ve told them too, I’m like if you end up getting a job somewhere far away, we will come and visit you and do all
Jason (1:06:51)
Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:06:52)
the traveling there too. So yeah.
Jason (1:06:53)
that’s
very that’s very, very cool. Do you so that first travel job that you got, I think you
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:06:58)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:06:59)
said maybe you mentioned even a couple times, you were there approximately seven years. Seventeen years. There’s a big difference. All right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:07:03)
Almost seventeen years. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jason (1:07:09)
Was that the job where you were doing the DMC tour operator stuff? Cause you’d met when we first when I first asked
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:07:16)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:07:16)
you what is Nordic travel, you’d said you’d been doing that. So is that one
a continuous job or did you leave that job at some point and go do some other things? I just want to make sure we don’t miss any big steps here.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:07:27)
I was there for seventeen years. I started out as just a destination specialist, and I worked my way up to the director of the Scandinavian division that we had there. I think I I I liked it. I just felt like at that point I had hit a wall and I was like I walked in here as a twenty three year old kid and I I need to do something else. So I then ended up a very short stint with the local airline here.
Sun Country Airlines. I learned a lot of
Jason (1:07:52)
Mm, okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:07:53)
marketing skills there. My boss there was amazing and just kind of helped me get me thinking about different things about travel and about advertising and marketing and all that sort of thing. So then after that I started, a few years bec before COVID, a bunch of my old colleagues from my first job and I started a company and we were a tour operator doing kind of the same thing.
booking t for direct to the public and also for travel agents. And then COVID happened and so we lasted about a week. So
Jason (1:08:23)
Yeah, I I’m not laughing.
I’ve I’ve heard that st that story.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:08:27)
Yeah. We weren’t big
enough to survive, so it was I mean, it was kind of a good thing, you could say. We just didn’t feel like we could manage with loans and how long it was gonna be we were gonna be closed and so then I really got to kinda sit and think about maybe the next chapter of what I wanted to do. So I started with a company in late twenty twenty one. It was a Norwegian company and I started an office here for them
or kind of the US and Canadian market. doing again, they were a DMC, so they had an in in destination office. That’s the difference between kind of a tour operator and a a DMC. so we were catering again to travel agents and then direct to the public here for this market. So
Jason (1:09:08)
We’re
we’re most I’m guessing we’re most of those kind of Midwest the people travel agents. No, okay. Interesting.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:09:13)
Mm mm. No. A lot of East
Coast, West Coast, people from all over the place. A lot of markets
Jason (1:09:19)
okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:09:19)
too that maybe got a flight put in. Maybe Iceland Air was flying into their market and they just had a lot of advertising.
Jason (1:09:26)
okay. Yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:09:27)
So a lot of people use the Nordics as kind of a bucket list or I haven’t been there, so let’s give that a try. That looks really Yeah, or go
Jason (1:09:32)
Mm-hmm. ‘Cause he had polar bear and it
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:09:36)
go to Iceland and see a
a volcano or, you know, whatever it is. So
Jason (1:09:39)
Yeah. Yep.
All right. That’s that’s very cool. And then at at some point you’re like, okay, Nordic travel collective. How did that idea like I don’t know. What do you want to tell us about that?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:09:49)
I think I just
Yeah, I think I just kind of I don’t know. Now that I I turned fifty last year, I’m having a hard time with that.
Jason (1:09:56)
Okay. Yep.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:09:57)
But I you know, I’m lucky to be here. It’s you know, I’m fifty and I just felt like I’ve been doing this for so long and I wanted to give it a go again and see if I could make something of my own. And again, there’s a market for every type of traveler and so I thought, what the heck, let’s lean into this
this version and see how it goes. ‘Cause I just that the the thing that I really love is the the product, the suppliers, the things that are offered. And I love writing itineraries for people. So I get to kind of
Jason (1:10:24)
Yeah, I can s I can s I can see that.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:10:26)
just do that again instead of managing
Jason (1:10:27)
Isn’t it?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:10:28)
big massive bookings and all that sort of thing. So yeah.
Jason (1:10:32)
Isn’t
it nice? Like, cause I just turned fifty-three and I actually started this podcast, I guess, right around the time I turned fifty. So it’s it’s yeah, and it and it’s
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:10:40)
All right, congratulations.
Jason (1:10:42)
kinda like, you know, here’s what I like. And when I started the podcast, I thought I would, you know, kind of do the podcast and kind of around my marketing business,
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:10:50)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:10:50)
draw some attention into my marketing business. Then within the last year or so, I was like, you know, it’s not the marketing I like, it’s a podcast I like.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:10:58)
Mm-hmm. What do you like? Yep.
Going back to the roots.
Jason (1:11:00)
So yeah, exactly.
It’s like, what do I actually like to do and figure out how to make that work without trying to inject all these other things that I don’t really enjoy? And that’s that’s kind of what I hear you and you’re like, Yeah, I wanna do the the parts I really like, this part of it. So I’m gonna find people that want that part of it instead of trying to do a bunch of crap. And sometimes turning fifty will cause you to rethink things. So
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:11:24)
No, I know.
Well, even during COVID
Jason (1:11:25)
I never would have guessed it. I thought
you just I thought you were in summer camps just a few years ago, but
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:11:30)
No. Well, even during
COVID when I was trying to decide like what kind of job should I apply for? Do I wanna stay in this business? What I wanna do? And when we were finally able to kinda go out for dinner again, my old college roommate and I were out and this couple that was sitting next to us was talking about a trip to Sweden and my friend immediately looked at me and she was like, Don’t and I was like, What? She was like, Don’t just don’t and I was like
And like two minutes later I turned around and I was like, So, I hear you’re going to Sweden and they my friend’s just rolling her eyes and she’s like,
Jason (1:12:02)
I yeah, I get it.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:12:03)
I feel yeah, she’s like, Just this is what you need to do. And I was like, Yeah, I know.
Jason (1:12:07)
I think I think those of us that are around our age group, and and of course we all experienced COVID at the same time.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:12:16)
Mm.
Jason (1:12:17)
But those people that experience COVID maybe around the age of fifty, I think it’s I think it impacted a lot of different generations differently, I think is what I’m saying. So
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:12:26)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:12:27)
if you’re already kind of approaching fifty, some of us have that like, what am I doing with my life and what do I want to do with my life?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:12:33)
Yeah.
Jason (1:12:34)
And then COVID hits at the same time, which basically just like 10 X’s, whatever thoughts that you’re already going through your head, you know, and all of a sudden it becomes even more urgent. Because it’s w it’s one thing
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:12:44)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:12:44)
to turn fifty, it’s another thing to deal with COVID around the same time you turn fifty, and you’re like, you see a lot of know, I think we all saw a lot of people that didn’t get to go do those things that they wanted to do. You know, because they got sick. They didn’t, you know, or just
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:12:58)
Yeah.
Jason (1:13:00)
By the time travel restrictions were opened up again, they didn’t have the mobility that they maybe needed for that African safari that they’ve been talking about their entire life.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:13:09)
Yep.
Jason (1:13:10)
So I think it had a lot of impact on on every generation, just slightly different. And it sounds like you, you and I are probably can relate on on some of that. So all right.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:13:18)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jason (1:13:20)
Very, very cool. we’ve discussed a bunch of things. I know we I know like
We’re not gonna like, you know what? When I was saying earlier, people watch a YouTube video, you know, forty minute video of top ten things to do in Bogota, and then they edit it all together and it’s impossible that you can really cover everything in forty minutes, worried about the
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:13:38)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:13:38)
same same situation. We’ve been chatting for a little longer than forty minutes, but
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:13:42)
Yeah.
Jason (1:13:42)
I also recognize we’re not gonna be able to capture everything that’s happened in your life. but it’s I really appreciate you sharing what we we have so far. And I’ve learned a lot and I’m curious though, Elaine, before we wrap up.
What do what do you wish I would have asked you about? What do you feel like we’re missing that we want to make sure our listeners know about you, Scandinavia? I mean, we could we could keep going another fifteen, twenty minutes if you want, but I just wanna make sure we don’t miss an opportunity to discuss something important to you.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:14:09)
Yeah, I think just what’s important to me is I want the traveler to feel that I want them to feel important. I wanna f them to feel that w what they wanna do and how they wanna travel is important. I just wanna help them make sure that they’re gonna have the best trip that they can have. And that’s kind of the whole reason for Nordic Travel Collective is let’s lean into the trip that you wanna have.
And make it the best that it can be. Whatever it is, whether it’s hiking or you wanna go eat specialty food the whole time or you just wanna you wanna take a bus tour or or a cruise or you wanna you wanna just be in all the big cities and look at museums or architecture, whatever it is. I want you to have the best trip that you can have because I feel like I have the knowledge to to put that together for you so you can see it.
In the most spectacular way. So
Jason (1:15:02)
Very cool. And how do you suggest they start the process? Because I know different people are different. I’ve been around long
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:15:08)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:15:09)
enough to know some people just for some reason like to communicate by email. They’ll just send an email, they’ll fill out a form, and they’ll go back and forth by email. Other people are super happy to jump on a video call and other people, I don’t know. There’s a lot of different ways people do things. But
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:15:24)
Yeah. I know some people
love the phone, some people love email. I’m happy to do
Jason (1:15:28)
What’s sh what’s your suggestion
though? If if somebody was able to set aside their normal process, and like what do you think is generally the most part of maybe why they’re doing this is to save themselves some time in planning, but also mostly to have a great experience. So what would you suggest? If they could set aside their preconceived ideas of how this should look, what would you suggest they do?
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:15:49)
Uh-huh.
I would say i if you get an inkling that you this is somewhere that you want to travel, like maybe do fifteen, twenty minutes of googling around just to see what is in of interest to you. Think about, you know, things like how long do I wanna be gone? Maybe when do I wanna be gone, what is my overall budget look like? Can I do this?
Jason (1:16:11)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:16:12)
and then
My website, Nordic Travel Collective.com, is an easy way to kind of peruse kind of who I am and what I do and what I offer, what I can offer. And then you can easily email me from the website. And what I love to get from people is kind of a quick snapshot of what they’re looking for. Like
Jason (1:16:30)
Mm-hmm.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:16:31)
I want to go to Iceland and I want to be gone for 12 days and I wanna I really wanna camp, but I maybe want to spend a couple of nights in a
fun hotel in Recky Bigger, whatever it is. And then we can either touch base on the phone or I’m happy to set up a a video chat. I usually tend to lean that way because then we can kind of converse and I can take notes and at that point then we kind of go from there, whether it’s me then automatically writing an itinerary or them kind of going back to the drawing board and thinking about a few things and then we go from there. So
But that’s
Jason (1:17:03)
Okay.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:17:03)
usually when I talk about, you know, the fees that I have and all that that sort of thing. Would be during the the video call. So
Jason (1:17:11)
And if somebody just like is all they know is that they’ve got ten days and they want to go to Scandinavia,
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:17:19)
Uh-huh.
Jason (1:17:20)
can they still hire you to start from that position or is it important okay, ’cause I that’s probably what I would want to do.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:17:24)
Mm-hmm. yeah. Yep. If they absolutely don’t know like I wanna go in the winter
and I wanna see Sweden and Finland. Great. I can put something together for you. Yep.
Jason (1:17:34)
So they can do maybe a video call with you just
to see if it if it feels like the right fit. They they hire you and you go based on the conversation you’ve had with them, go put together some stuff, propose it, make changes and kind of that iterative
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:17:48)
Absolutely.
Jason (1:17:48)
process. You mention the video calls, and maybe people that are watching us probably get it, because I can just say, well, there’s a reason you’re watching the video. People that are listening to
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:17:56)
Mm-hmm, yeah.
Jason (1:17:57)
it might not might not resonate the same. But
What I love about the video call thing, because I’ve I used to set I set up a lot of trips, I worked with a lot of people, and what I love about the video is that you can see people’s expressions on their face. So let’s just say, for example, you know, you’ve got a husband and wife sitting on a video call with you talking about what they want to do in Scandinavia. They probably have differences between the two of them. There’s they’re probably not on exactly the same page.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:18:18)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:18:23)
And, you know, maybe she’s
We wanna do this, we wanna do that, we wanna do this and and but what what is beautiful about it is you can see the facial expressions. So if he’s over there like
Not that I’m suggesting you become a a therapist, but you know, it you can
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:18:38)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:18:38)
see the look on his face w as she mentions the things. So it can kind of help you kind of narrow in on, hey, what I noticed that when you said this, he
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:18:45)
Yeah, what are you looking to do? Uh-huh.
Jason (1:18:47)
got, you know, he kind of smiled there for a minute. And she may, you know, it’s her husband, so she may not be watching his face as closely as you are. And I actually think you can end up with a much better experience because when somebody sends you an email and says, We came up with these four things for day three.
You day three we came up with these four ideas. I you when you read them in an email, it’s four exactly, you know, there’s no tone, there’s no energy level. Maybe they said in this
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:19:16)
Mm.
Jason (1:19:16)
order, these are our preferences, but it’s really, really hard to tell. Where when
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:19:19)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:19:20)
you’re on a video call with them, well, we thought we might, you know,
We might go do the elephant, you know, like let’s say Thailand.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:19:27)
Yeah.
Jason (1:19:27)
we want we really want to go to the elephant sanctuary. but if that one’s not available, then maybe, you know, the the street food thing, da da da. Or, you know, we’re also kinda open to the something else. You know, and you can see
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:19:37)
Mm.
Jason (1:19:38)
the look on their face and it helps you get a feel for what they really, really want as opposed to in an email, right? It it’s just easier.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:19:42)
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah,
and it you know, especially too with like small groups. Everybody wants something different. You know, or multi generational trips. I’ve done a lot of those where, you know, you’re going with, you know, maybe a five year old and the oldest person is eighty two. And not everybody can do the same thing. There’s naps and maybe there’s not as active.
So you have to have different options maybe. Within the itinerary there might be two or three different itineraries going at the same time. So
Jason (1:20:11)
good point. That’s
that’s a really good that’s a really good point because yeah if you’re
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:20:15)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:20:16)
you know another example that’s not related to the Nordic Nordic region but you know Kilimanjaro you know somebody’s like we want to go to Africa do a safari and we want to climb Kilimanjaro okay that’s great but a video call might be pretty helpful because if you see the people not to judge but it’s be yeah be careful I I gotta be careful what
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:20:30)
Like can you do that Killy Climb? I don’t know.
Jason (1:20:33)
I’m saying but it but if they show up on the video call
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:20:35)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:20:36)
and you know
And the guy’s breathing hard just trying to have a conversation on a Zoom call. And you know, maybe his partner, his friend, his wife, whatever is really excited about it. And he’s over there like look got that look on his face, like, my god, she’s trying to kill me.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:20:53)
There’s a lot of questions too, like when you go on a trip,
what does it typically look like? Sometimes that paints a good picture for how
Jason (1:20:58)
I love that. Yep. Yep.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:21:00)
people travel or you know, like how when you go out for your typical
Jason (1:21:04)
What does that typically look like? You know, another one that I heard someone say and I thought was pretty brilliant. I wish I had thought of it was and maybe you do it is ask people, you know, so your last trip, what did you like least about your last trip? Or, you know, and I’m sure you’ve done that.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:21:17)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:21:20)
When I heard it, I was like, that’s brilliant, because then you’re really gonna cut they’re gonna it they’re that’s gonna tell you so much more. And if it’s if it’s because the transfer driver was five minutes late picking us up at the airport
That’s useful information.
You know, or the you know, there were you know, there was an air conditioning in the hotels. And that’s something they’re not it’s funny because they’re not likely to say, make sure that every hotel has air conditioning. But if you ask what’s the least favorite part what’s the part you hated most about your last trip? And it’s well the hotels didn’t have air conditioning.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:21:50)
Mm-hmm. Or I ate at a restaurant every day
for two weeks and I can’t you know, I need to be able to cook somewhere or do something. So like maybe
Jason (1:21:54)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:21:57)
look at places that have great markets and good shopping and stuff so they can do some stuff on their own. So yeah, no, it’s everybody’s different.
Jason (1:22:04)
It’s fun, isn’t it? Yeah. That’s the fun part.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:22:07)
Everybody wants different things. And I think that’s important to embrace. So
Jason (1:22:11)
Yeah, yep. And it’s and it’s fun and if you’re like me, it’s that after the trip they’re like, Wow, that was great and you know,
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:22:17)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:22:18)
and there’s that that feedback after the trip. I used to I used to spend people in my family thought it was just ’cause I had a big ego, but I used to spend an o
inordinate amount of time and I kinda still do reading reviews. My reviews
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:22:29)
Yeah.
Jason (1:22:30)
and you know, my ex wife be like, you’re so full of yourself. What are you doing? And and it’s like it’s not that. It’s just that
I’m just so happy that I was able to be part of that and they had so much fun.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:22:40)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:22:41)
I wasn’t there with them on the trip. I used to lead a lot of trips. That was better. But
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:22:45)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:22:45)
it’s like, you know, I wasn’t on the trip with them. So when I when I hear their feedback and the way they write it, it just makes me feel good because I got to be a part of that. It’s not, you know, but anyway. So that’s the fun part. So very
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:22:54)
Yeah. yeah. Absolutely. Or if something isn’t
working, what didn’t work and why? ‘Cause you wanna know. ‘Cause you don’t wanna do s
Jason (1:23:00)
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:23:01)
that again. You don’t wanna send somewhere somebody somewhere that, you know, was legitimately suddenly not a good product or accommodation or whatever it is. So
Jason (1:23:08)
Or
that’s something I think people understand, but that is one of the challenges of working as a planner, advisor, destination specialist, all this, or just anything in tourism that’s not a day trip that you run yourself.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:23:23)
Mm.
Jason (1:23:24)
There’s a lot of other people involved. And usually good people. And these might be people you’ve been working with for years, but
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:23:30)
Mm.
Jason (1:23:31)
They hire new people. They’ve got a team. Everybody, you know, there’s so many people involved. And you’re not there to and cultural differences and all that stuff. So that’s that is a big challenge. I I think that when somebody like yourself puts together something and it goes off really, really well, it’s like a I don’t want to say it’s amazing because I’m sure all your trips go really, really well. But it’s kind of amazing when you think about
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:23:56)
Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:23:56)
all the different things that have to work together in this and but it’s also about setting the right expectations with your clients and getting to know your clients because
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:24:05)
Yep. Absolutely. Mm-hmm.
Jason (1:24:08)
if you’re dependent on one transfer driver you know being able to ruin the whole thing
then it’s that’s very, very stressful. But when you work with people and kind of discuss a little about like like you said, you know, the getting from spot A to spot B in you know, in Norway can take a little longer than you expect. Just
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:24:27)
Mm.
Jason (1:24:28)
setting that expectation right there helps so much because otherwise they could come back and say, my gosh, it took the traffic was horrible or the roads were so windy and it took us for you know, they don’t care about that stuff unless it causes them to miss a
boss or train or a flight.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:24:42)
Yeah.
Jason (1:24:43)
as long and you know if they know about it ahead of time and you figure it into the itinerary, then it’s fine. So I don’t know where I’m going with this, but congratulations.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:24:48)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No. Thank you. Thank you.
Jason (1:24:55)
I I look forward to to connecting with you talking about Svalbard Svalbard or Sw Svalbard Bard. Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:25:01)
Fallbard. Yeah, bard.
Yeah.
Jason (1:25:04)
So, cause I need to go see a polar bear. And and a lot of other things in Scandinavia as well. Anyone,
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:25:08)
Yeah. All right.
Jason (1:25:09)
you know, the people that are listening, you’re listening to this, we’ve got the website, a link to your website right in the show notes. So scroll down there, take a look at what Elaine is doing. And I would encourage anybody that’s thinking about going there, just it sounds like they can at least just book a call with you and
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:25:25)
Absolutely.
Jason (1:25:25)
and have a conversation and see if you’re the right person. If the
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:25:29)
Mhm. Yeah. I want them to make sure that I’m the right fit for them, so yeah.
Jason (1:25:29)
If they’re still if they’re still listening to this, they already know you’re the right person ’cause, you know Yeah, ab
ab absolutely so. and then when you read and this is for the listeners when you when you reach out to Elaine, make sure you mention that, hey, Elaine, I heard you have that conversation with Jason and
And then Elaine’s gonna let me know. Hey, Jason, I I helped a wonderful family set up a wonderful trip to Scandinavia and and then I’m gonna go read the review somewhere and just feel good that I was part of that. So Elaine, thanks for thank you for letting me be part of connecting people with you. So thank you so much. And I look forward to seeing you again soon. All right. Thanks. Bye bye.
Elaine Nelson Peik (1:26:01)
Alright, thank you. Alright? Alright, thank
too. Bye bye.

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