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Episode #177: Samrawit Moges

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Travel Ethiopia

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Samrawit Moges is the Founder and CEO of Travel Ethiopia, a private, eco-conscious tour and safari company established in 1994. With a career in Ethiopian tourism that stretches back to 1981, she has spent decades helping travelers discover the many dimensions of Ethiopia, from its historic landmarks and cultural traditions to its wildlife, landscapes, and living heritage.

She built Travel Ethiopia from a small operation with just a few employees and vehicles into a respected tourism company with a team of more than 40 trained professionals. Samrawit is especially known for her leadership in creating meaningful travel experiences and for her commitment to tourism that reflects both the richness of Ethiopia’s past and the realities of its present.

She is also a passionate advocate for women in tourism. Under her leadership, Travel Ethiopia became known for empowering women in the industry, including hiring female guides and tour consultants. Deeply committed to Ethiopia’s environment, wildlife, and community development, Samrawit brings both vision and long-standing expertise to every journey her company creates.

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In this episode of the Big World Made Small Adventure Travel Podcast, host Jason Elkins speaks with Samrawit about her remarkable path into tourism and her mission to help more travelers see Ethiopia in a fuller, more informed way. Their conversation explores how outdated global perceptions have shaped the way many people think about the country, and why Samrawit believes Ethiopia deserves far more attention as a destination for history, culture, wildlife, food, and deeply human travel experiences.

Samrawit shares how she founded Travel Ethiopia during a period of major change in the country and how her own story was shaped by family, education, and resilience. She reflects on growing up in a large family, moving often as a child, studying journalism, entering tourism through government service, and eventually building her own company. Along the way, she discusses her commitment to women’s empowerment in the travel industry and the importance of building trust with international partners and travelers.

The episode also becomes an invitation to experience Ethiopia beyond the headlines. Samrawit highlights the country’s UNESCO sites, endemic wildlife, distinctive calendar, coffee heritage, cuisine, and culture of hospitality. From shared meals and injera to Addis Ababa’s role as an air hub and conference destination, she paints a vivid picture of a country that offers far more depth and variety than many outsiders realize.

Key Takeaways

  • ✓ Ethiopia offers far more than one travel theme alone, combining history, culture, wildlife, scenery, and archaeology in a single destination.
  • ✓ Samrawit has spent decades helping travelers experience Ethiopia in a way that goes beyond stereotypes and surface-level impressions.
  • ✓ Travel Ethiopia was founded with a strong focus on professionalism, long-term expertise, and meaningful guest experiences.
  • ✓ The company has been a leader in women’s empowerment, including hiring female guides and tourism professionals in visible roles.
  • ✓ Ethiopia is not a destination that can be fully understood in one short trip, which is one reason repeat visits are so valuable.
  • ✓ Many travelers still associate Ethiopia with outdated narratives, but the country’s tourism identity is much broader and more dynamic.
  • ✓ Shared meals, coffee culture, and everyday hospitality play an essential role in how visitors experience Ethiopian life.
  • ✓ Ethiopia’s distinct traditions, including its calendar, cuisine, and religious celebrations, give travelers a cultural experience unlike anywhere else.
  • ✓ Strong partnerships with international tour operators can help more travelers feel confident about considering Ethiopia.
  • ✓ Samrawit’s personal journey into tourism reflects resilience, adaptability, and a deep commitment to representing her country with pride.

What You’ll Find on Travel Ethiopia

  • Curated cultural and historical journeys across Ethiopia
  • Wildlife, nature, and safari experiences featuring unique endemic species
  • Custom itineraries designed for both independent travelers and trade partners
  • Local expertise shaped by decades of guiding and destination knowledge
  • A strong commitment to eco-conscious tourism and community-minded travel
  • A company culture that values professionalism, inclusion, and women’s empowerment in tourism

Learn more about Travel Ethiopia and connect with Samrawit at:

https://www.travelethiopia.com

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Jason Elkins (00:00.887)
Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Big World Made Small podcast for the adventure traveler. So happy to have each and every one of you back here today. Super excited. We’ve got a first today on the show. We’ve got a guest from Ethiopia. So I’m super excited about that. We have Samrawit Moges She’s the founder and CEO of Travel Ethiopia. Samrawit , welcome to the show. Happy to have you here.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (00:24.066)
Thank you very much and delighted to be in your podcast.

Jason Elkins (00:27.979)
It’s gonna be super exciting. Like I just mentioned, you’re the first guest that we’ve had on the show from Ethiopia. And we’re definitely gonna talk about Ethiopia. We can’t not talk about Ethiopia, of course. But I’m also really fascinated just to hear your story, kind of figure out how you got from where you were to where you are now. Because where you are now, it’s pretty impressive. You’ve done a lot. let’s, before we dig into your background, let’s share with our listeners, what is travel Ethiopia? What do you do?

Maybe, you know, just a couple minutes about what do you do and who do you work with and how do you change lives?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:05.528)
Well, Travel Ethiopia was established in 1994. I used to work for the government before that. That was during the communist regime. And then, in 1994, through the really encouragement of my late husband Thomas Metanovic, I established Travel Ethiopia. We were a very limited…

employees within the company. And my main goal is working on the empowerment of women. And we are the first company to hire female guides. So we are known for this in the empowerment and also having females not only as a guide, but also as a tour consultants. So Travel Ethiopia is mainly known for this.

and we are receiving clients from all over the world where we are taking our clients within Ethiopia. You know, taking them all over the country. As you know, Ethiopia is a very big country where tourists cannot visit Ethiopia in one time. Due to the diversity of the attraction, tourists, visitors are coming repeatedly.

And I don’t know how much you know about Ethiopia, but we claim that Ethiopia to be the origin of coffee, the origin of mankind. So Ethiopia is a very unique country, and Ethiopia is the only African country that has never been colonized.

Jason Elkins (02:52.211)
wow. You mentioned a couple of things there I was not aware of. But what I hear you saying is it’s not one of those places you can come on one trip and get the full sample of what Ethiopia has to offer. So you’ve got people that a lot of repeats and returns people come back it sounds like. OK, very cool. And do you work mostly.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (03:10.83)
Correct. Correct.

Jason Elkins (03:14.711)
Directly with the people that want to come visit or are you working with tour operators in other countries that set up tours and then you guys handle the logistics and and Provide the actual service or what does that look like for you?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (03:26.924)
Yeah, we work both ways. are, you know, those people who got our contacts, definitely will communicate with us individually. And at the same time, we do have agents that we are working with all over the world.

Jason Elkins (03:42.243)
Sure. D, where do most of your clients come from?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (03:47.552)
Well, before COVID, let me tell you briefly that, of course, the entire world has been affected by COVID, but after COVID, there is internal conflicts within the country, mainly. So the main clients we were having was from the Northern American, but…

Jason Elkins (04:13.369)
you

Samrawit Moges Beyene (04:16.001)
That number has a little bit, not more than that, declined. But it’s not only America. We are working with Europe, African countries, Asia, name it.

Jason Elkins (04:20.631)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (04:30.531)
Okay, very cool. I do want to learn a little bit more. I don’t know how much we want to go into the politics and internal conflicts and things in Ethiopia, but you mentioned it. sounds like your business has really shifted because of that. And anybody listening to this, maybe they’re in North America and they heard you say that and they’re like, maybe, you know, maybe we should, is there something we don’t know? So let’s touch on that real quick.

What should travelers from North America expect in Ethiopia now as opposed to before COVID?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (04:59.021)
And not.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (05:02.477)
Jason, let me ask you one thing. Which part of the world right now is secure? Tell me.

Jason Elkins (05:04.417)
Yeah, please.

Jason Elkins (05:11.805)
Well, I’m in Mexico right now and you’ve heard the news about what happened in Mexico a month ago or so. You know, my family in the US is like, oh, well, maybe you shouldn’t be in Mexico. And I’m like, well, yeah, look what’s going on in the US. I’m with you completely.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (05:18.252)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (05:25.937)
Exactly, know, yeah, the entire world has changed a lot. most, you know, it’s always people always concentrate on what’s going on in Africa, you know, but for me, wherever you go right now, we are not, it is not secure. But Ethiopia is a country.

that is totally different from most African countries, particularly the East African countries, because it’s not only wildlife. We have culture, cultural tools, historical sites, and again a scientific tour where we still have an active volcano in Ethiopia where people are visiting. So there is Bali National Park full of wildlife.

That’s why I said that Ethiopia cannot be visited in one trip, because people maximum might spend like 10 days. And 10 days will not cover the entire country. That’s why we are having a repeated client. And one thing we should not forget about Ethiopia is we have one of the best airlines in the world, Ethiopian Airlines, that connects Africa. Yeah.

That is the main advantage also we are having. Yes, right now we do have many 90 % transit passengers that will not stay.

Jason Elkins (07:05.367)
What do you mean by that? 90 % transit.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (07:11.147)
Most tourists are not staying in the country. Ethiopia is a hub and people will pass by, but it is just because they don’t have the knowledge of being able even to stay in a two nights, three nights where they will be able to visit fantastic sites within just Addis Ababa. That’s the capital city of the country.

Jason Elkins (07:17.858)
Okay, got it.

Jason Elkins (07:38.285)
happy you brought that up. And there’s a few things that came up for me is one is just Africa for most. I shouldn’t say most. I don’t know. I don’t want to put a number on it. But a lot of people that live in North America just have no concept for what Africa is, you know, as a whole, much less Ethiopia. You know, so you’ve it seems like you’ve got maybe I would think a couple of challenges. One is just getting people to open up to the idea of going to Africa and then

appreciating, you know, well, we’re in Africa. Why Ethiopia? A lot. There’s there’s not a lot of. Super exciting positive press about Africa in North America. We only tend to hear about the things that are going wrong, and then we forget how incredibly large Africa is. So we kind of group it all together. And then, you know, with with Ethiopia, very few people, you know.

learn much about Ethiopia, about all the cool things. Maybe in school they learned that civilization started there, or maybe if they’re into coffee they might know something about it. But how do you, I’m just curious, how do you overcome that with the US market? How do you, either you and your company, or just the entire country, the tourism industry in Ethiopia, how do you get that message out?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (08:59.65)
You know, the world has changed. We are in the era of social media, technology. If you Google about Ethiopia, you will be able to get quite significant information, right? So as we are in the era of technology, people need to Google. This is as easy as it is. So…

Jason Elkins (09:25.773)
Well, yes, but that’s and that’s if somebody even that the idea pops into their head because they’re not going to go Google it unless they see something or they they have a reason to do it. And maybe that is through social media as well. If, you know, companies like yourself and other tour operators in Ethiopia or any of the countries in Africa need to get that message out to people so that people say, Ethiopia, I had no idea there was cool stuff to do there. And then they go to Google.

but you gotta get them to Google, all right?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (09:56.364)
Yeah, one thing that I agree is that we haven’t promoted our country as it should be. Because if you ask any American where to go to, they say safari. And what come to their mind is Kenya.

Jason Elkins (10:13.975)
Yeah. What do you think? What do think Kenya has done differently?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (10:15.411)
So I think I totally agree.

well, they promote their country very well. And they have made known their country to the world. So I think, no, I totally agree that Ethiopia need to work on promoting the country. This is the main thing, the least that we can do about Ethiopia to make known to others.

Jason Elkins (10:47.577)
I wonder if you’re willing to go this direction with me as somebody that grew up in North America at a time when I was most impressionable. What I saw of Ethiopia was on the news, the TV, you know, involved drought, starvation, hunger and.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (11:03.533)
Thanks.

Jason Elkins (11:08.555)
I know you know this. I, know, it’s kind of the elephant in the room. And I actually spoke to my mother the other day and I said, I spoke with a nice woman from Ethiopia. She’s going to come on the show. And my mom was clueless. She’s like, yeah, do people, do people go to Ethiopia? They, have tourism in Ethiopia, you know, and, I’m a world traveler. I’ve been, I’ve been around, I’ve been to Africa, have not been to Ethiopia, but my mom is, was kind of a

Samrawit Moges Beyene (11:11.031)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (11:21.695)
About Ethiopia? Yeah.

Jason Elkins (11:36.235)
A litmus test for what is the typical American, and I say American meaning somebody that lives in the US, you ask them what do they know about Ethiopia and those are the images that pop into their head unless they’ve been. So I don’t know if there’s a question there, but I suspect that’s something you’ve been aware of and been dealing with in your marketing too, especially the US market maybe. Do other parts of the world?

see Ethiopia differently? Do they have different kind of biases as opposed to people in North America? Do you know?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (12:08.031)
No, as you said, when people think of Ethiopia, what comes to their mind is the drought, the hunger, poverty. But those people who read, most of our clients are high-end clients that read before they come to the country. They have a reason to come. For example, they might come for the covenant in Axum.

Jason Elkins (12:16.089)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (12:36.843)
the Ark of the Covenant in Axum. They might come to Lalibella. So these are people who are aware and these are people who really are educating themselves or know about a country. But as you said, majority knows the poverty of Ethiopia, very unfortunately. know, Starbucks, you drink coffee, right? Where does that coffee come from?

Jason Elkins (12:39.321)
Okay.

Jason Elkins (13:04.173)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (13:06.143)
Ethiopia. But they say, is Ethiopia? I think it is also our homework and we have to promote. One thing that I tell you is as a tour operators, we are taking part in various trade fairs and it’s the tour operators who really promote the country in the past and now. we do have a big homework to work on.

Jason Elkins (13:11.235)
Yeah.

Jason Elkins (13:25.635)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (13:35.872)
on promoting the country. One of the things maybe is through the embassies, the Ethiopian embassies, wherever they are located, promoting the country. But if you ask about Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines is very well known because they do promote Ethiopian Airlines. They do have offices all over the world. If they don’t have an office, they have a representative.

Jason Elkins (13:53.977)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (14:04.883)
One of the things maybe that we need to work on is having an office in North America or Europe. This will allow us to promote Ethiopia.

Jason Elkins (14:16.619)
I’m curious, do you feel that Ethiopian Airlines does a good job of promoting Ethiopia? mean, they do a good job of promoting themselves. They connect a lot of places in Africa. But if you’re on an Ethiopian Airlines flight, is there stuff on the plane or?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (14:25.451)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Jason Elkins (14:36.49)
or in their marketing about, instead of just passing through on your way to some other place, you should stop and get off. Do you feel like they do a good job? And I know they might be listening.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (14:46.241)
Yes, No, no, they do, they do. They have a video show in flights. They have it, the in-flight magazine. No, Ethiopian Airlines is really an incredible airline. More than that, they are promoting Ethiopia very, very well. And if you see, if you are in the flights, the way you are treated is amazing, amazing.

Jason Elkins (15:03.981)
Very, very cool.

Jason Elkins (15:12.963)
That makes a big difference. I’ve been on a lot of different airlines and when I get on maybe Singapore Airlines, I think they do a really good job as well. Some of them you just get on, like, I had no interest in necessarily going to Singapore, but wow, they seem to do a really good job.

and the people are so friendly and outgoing and it’s like kind of makes me think, maybe I should go there. And then I’ve been on other airlines and I won’t mention any names where I’m like, these people do not seem very happy. Many of the airlines that operate in the United States might be good example. Like if I’d never been to the United States and I got on a typical flight on one of their airlines, I might think, I don’t know if I want to go, but you know, it’s so it is important.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (16:02.689)
No, you know, for example, I have experienced it also in flights within Europe or the US. You have to pay for what you are drinking. You have to pay for what you are eating. But Ethiopian Airlines, even within the domestic flight that’s taking like two hours, one hour, you are treated. You are treated. And I wish you make time and come to Ethiopia and see.

Jason Elkins (16:31.257)
I would love to, yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (16:32.307)
not only Ethiopia but the airline, the airline itself, you will be impressed. And Ethiopian Airlines part, you know, do you know that during the COVID time, when many airlines shut down, Ethiopian Airlines was the only flight that used cargo. And they were flying all over the world, while most airlines went down economically.

Jason Elkins (16:57.656)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (17:02.517)
Ethiopian rural life rises because they converted the passenger flight into the cargo and they were serving the entire world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jason Elkins (17:11.577)
Okay. Wow. No, I, I didn’t know that. And here’s the thing. mean, realistically, I’ve been chatting, we’ve been chatting for 15 minutes or so, and I’ve learned more about not just facts about Ethiopia, but just this conversation with you is like, it’s opening up a lot of ideas and possibilities. And that, guess where I’m going with that is that’s what needs to happen.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (17:33.645)
Mmm, mmm.

Jason Elkins (17:37.485)
Like, and that’s why we’re doing this. That’s why we’re having this conversation. So other people that it’s not on their radar can listen to your, you know, listen to this conversation and get inspired to go do something because that’s, that’s what I, you know, the, the name of the show is big world made small. It’s like, I want to connect people. I want to get people out there because, you know, if, we can get

Samrawit Moges Beyene (17:56.919)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (17:58.837)
One person go to Ethiopia and they’re going to come back, you know, because they listen to this conversation and they’re going to come back. Wow, I to Ethiopia or they’re going to post it on social media and their friends are going to be like, wow, Ethiopia. didn’t even know they had tourism there. Like if they’re mom, if they’re like my mom, you know, and then it opens up. up to it. And pretty soon, you know, when you when you it’s called the I think like the reticular activating system, the part of your brain that starts to pick up on things, you notice things.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (18:12.043)
I know.

Jason Elkins (18:25.697)
So now anybody that’s listening to this conversation is all of a sudden going to start seeing things popping up on social media about Ethiopia or they’re going to meet people from Ethiopia. So that’s, that’s cool.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (18:36.289)
Let me tell you one other thing, Jason. I am also involved in agriculture. We have a farm that’s 20 kilometers from Addis, and we grew vegetables on the 15 hectare and flowers. have Dutch partners working with. During COVID time, that was the most productive time we had because

Jason Elkins (18:46.136)
Hmm.

Jason Elkins (18:54.69)
Okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (19:02.987)
Ethiopian Airlines was the only flight and most African countries were not able to export their products because the airline closed. with Ethiopia, that was the time where the flour industry or any exporter has flourished. So, Ethiopian Airlines has its own history.

Jason Elkins (19:10.168)
Mm-hmm.

Huh?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (19:32.275)
still growing very, very well. And I’m proud to have such an amazing airline. Yeah. So I want you to come and see Ethiopia using Ethiopian Airlines.

Jason Elkins (19:37.879)
Yeah, I can tell. Yeah, that’s okay.

Okay, that sounds like a good deal. Because it is, it’s been on my radar much more than most people from North America, but even then I recognize that, you know, it’s not the first country’s name that pops up when I think of Africa. I love Africa, I’ve been a few times and you know, what I’ve seen, but it’s a big country, a big country. It’s a big continent, not a big country. You also, you touched on something that I think was,

Samrawit Moges Beyene (19:50.924)
Yeah.

Jason Elkins (20:17.003)
is important and that’s working with the other tour operators or travel agents and people like that because if you can reach them, if you’ve got a large tour operator based in the US that’s sending a lot of people to a lot of different places, if you can connect with them and they start offering or maybe they are already offering but they maybe emphasize their trips to Ethiopia, I feel like

I I’m saying if I travel with a company, I don’t want to mention any names. There’s a lot of names. But if I’ve been traveling with them already and then I get an email from them saying, hey, we’re doing this cool 10 day trip in Ethiopia and you should go with us or we’re doing these custom itineraries to Ethiopia, somebody might respond to that. And that’s where they get the idea of Ethiopia. Maybe they never thought about it, but now they get that idea where if

An operator in Ethiopia is trying to put that message out and get it directly to the consumers. That’s a tough, that’s a tough nut to crack. I think they would say because, because of course you’re promoting Ethiopia. You own travel Ethiopia. You live there. Of course you’re going to talk about great it is, but when you’ve got a tour operator that I already trust, you know, based in the U S or Europe or something like that, that’s telling me how great Ethiopia is. It takes away some of that.

psychological burden about going? What do you think? I don’t know, I’m just kind of rambling.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (21:48.673)
You know, the number of people that travel entirely in the world is increasing from time to time. Especially, you people are traveling. Not the current problem that we are having, the war in Iraq, that is a different thing. But people are traveling. And at the same time, those travelers need new destinations.

Jason Elkins (21:59.405)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (22:16.313)
Hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (22:17.494)
There are repeated clients going to, like we said, Singapore, name it, India. But people would like to have a new destination. And I strongly believe that Ethiopia should be one of the countries that need to be visited. Because, as I said, I don’t know if you know about the historical sites where we are having number of churches.

Jason Elkins (22:42.669)
Not much.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (22:47.316)
And do you know that we have like 13 sites that is registered by UNESCO, the country’s attraction. And if you go to, if you are interested in wildlife, we have endemic animals like the Mount Mialla, where you will not find anywhere else but only Ethiopia. Walia ibex, you will not find anywhere in the world but only in Ethiopia.

Jason Elkins (22:55.321)
Wow, wow, okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (23:18.304)
You know, what makes Ethiopia totally different from any other country is that it is not only wildlife, it is not historical, it is cultural, scenery, so it’s a combination of many, many things. Have you ever heard about dalol? Dalol? Yeah. So we have attraction that is

Jason Elkins (23:39.288)
No.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (23:47.827)
not found anywhere else but only in Ethiopia. And my message to the tour operators, whether this is in America or in Europe,

They need to see the country. Of course, you cannot sell any country without seeing it. You have to scout it, right? So they need to come and see Ethiopia. But in the meantime, they have to Google and see what Ethiopia has. Right now, the mice is increasing amazingly in the country because many conferences are taking place in Ethiopia because we do have facilities for conferences.

Jason Elkins (24:12.269)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (24:34.329)
And I want to just touch on that real quick because you use the term mice and a lot of tour operators know what that means. A lot of our listeners know what that means, but it’s meetings, incentive travel, conferences and events. Right. Is that what it stands for? I believe so. Yeah. So I just wanted to clarify that for anybody that’s listening and got maybe got thrown off. I don’t know. But do you think that is the mice business mostly coming from

Samrawit Moges Beyene (24:48.17)
Yes, correct, correct,

Jason Elkins (25:03.705)
Where was it mostly coming from? it European or all over? All over. Okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (25:05.172)
all over the world, all over the world, all over the world, because, you know, there is, there is so far, number of conferences took place. And now we do have one of the biggest conference facility that just opened in the capital city. do have, Ethiopian Airlines, for example, has its own hotel and where there are also facilities for conferences. So,

Jason Elkins (25:28.086)
Okay

Samrawit Moges Beyene (25:34.813)
In terms of conference in Ethiopia, it has increased a lot and the outcome also is exquisite.

Jason Elkins (25:45.697)
I’m curious about, there’s a couple of things, there’s a lot of things I’m curious about. And let’s start with, I don’t normally do this on the show, but because oftentimes I’m having conversations with people that work in areas that are pretty well known and I don’t want to just discuss a bunch of logistical things. But because I think Ethiopia is super interesting to me and people don’t, some people don’t know as much about it. A long way of saying.

What’s the weather like?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (26:15.212)
you know, that was the thing that I wanted to mention. Ethiopia has one of the most beautiful weather in the world. We do have rainy season, for example. Our rainy season is from June to the beginning of September. There is a shower of rain, but after some time, you will see sun coming out. We don’t have snow.

During the day it is warm, in the evenings it might be a little bit chilly, but the weather itself is one of the attractions for many visitors.

Jason Elkins (26:55.341)
I thought it might be, because I did have a conversation with somebody separate from the podcast and he was kind of telling me a little bit about the elevation because the capital’s at pretty high elevation, isn’t it? Or am I confused?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (27:09.004)
Yes, 2500, 2000, yes, yes.

Jason Elkins (27:12.183)
Yeah, so that’s like, that’s about the same as keto, I think in in the Andes or so. mean, it’s pretty high, right? So it’s not necessarily hot. And the reason I wanted to bring it up is if people like me, maybe their visions that they remember of seeing Ethiopia in the past during drought was.

hot and kind of it just looked a lot of the videos and pictures I saw just kind of looked hot and dry and a little bit miserable. But I got the impression that that’s not really what it’s like especially now you know that was a drought but

Samrawit Moges Beyene (27:45.933)
You know, people take Ethiopia to be a desert. Some people say, you know, after they come, say, wouldn’t it be such kind of weather? That’s what they say. Or during our communication, when we discuss, they will say, but it is very warm, right? No. Especially after they come. Yeah. We have one. And one thing, let me tell you this, Ethiopia.

Jason Elkins (28:04.505)
That’s why I wanted to bring this up. I thought that was the case. Yeah, yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (28:14.828)
has a different calendar year. For example, we are in the year 2018. OK? Where, you know, this is and where you are in 2025, 26. And that makes us totally different. Our Christmas is different.

Jason Elkins (28:33.145)
Hmm?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (28:42.284)
we celebrate Orthodox Christmas on January 7, not December 25. For example, my company, the slogan is travel Ethiopia and be 70 years younger because of the calendar year. not only that, we do have 30, we say, we call ourselves as 13 months of sunshine because each month have 30 days, there is a leap year.

Jason Elkins (28:49.324)
wow.

Jason Elkins (28:58.105)
I love it.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (29:12.628)
sometimes six, sometimes five. So we say it, have 13 months of sunshine.

Jason Elkins (29:23.641)
Cool.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (29:23.936)
And we do have our alphabet, we do have our number, so that is what makes us totally different.

Jason Elkins (29:36.067)
Does it, my mind goes immediately to it’s a unique thing. It’s a fun thing to discuss because I didn’t know that. And then my mind jumps to, does that make business difficult when you’re dealing with, you know, people outside of Ethiopia? that, do you get a lot of confusion if you’re, you know, mentioning dates and emails and back and forth with operators in other countries or you just figured it out, I’m sure.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (29:57.428)
No, no, no, no, no, no. What we do is we totally communicate in European calendar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jason Elkins (30:03.225)
So any tour operators out there anybody in the US that was thinking I’d love to send people to Ethiopia but my gosh I’m gonna be so confused by the dates and the numbers and okay

Samrawit Moges Beyene (30:11.006)
No, no, no, no, no, no. We communicate that, but they do know that we have, our Christmas is different, Epiphany celebration, there are different kinds of celebrations that takes place and they do book the clients for that festival. But the communication is entirely based on European calendar. We don’t create confusion.

Jason Elkins (30:34.967)
Let’s that’s that’s good. That’s probably a good choice to whoever made that choice to to do that. It’s a good idea. Let’s talk about things like language and communication. We’re kind of already touching on that. I know embarrassingly little so but a lot of people probably know embarrassingly little as well. So is it easy for somebody from the US to communicate there? You know, do a lot of people speak English? Do all of them? I have no idea.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (30:38.998)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (31:05.292)
No, people communicate. No, no, you don’t have to. No, no, no, this is a very normal question. you know, people working in the hotels, even in the street, people will talk to you. So people speak English, definitely. That is the main foreign language that we use is English. And people are educated also in high school, schools. we speak, you will find people speaking English, very well English.

Jason Elkins (31:05.958)
I’m embarrassed to ask, but I’m going to ask.

Jason Elkins (31:29.593)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (31:35.801)
Do they, so I’ve traveled enough and I find some places like the kids especially just really get excited to have an opportunity to practice English with somebody that looks like maybe they’re from the US or Europe or something. And I’ve had, you know, little kids come up to me and like, hello, and they just want to talk. And they would never talk to me. They would never talk to me anywhere else, but you know, it’s like, they just want to talk and it’s so endearing.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (31:56.618)
Yeah. Yes, absolutely. is.

Jason Elkins (32:05.449)
It sounds like that happens there as well.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (32:06.251)
It’s the same here, same here, yeah. Hello, hi, how are you? Yeah, it is normal. People, they like to talk to foreigners, yeah. Definitely, definitely.

Jason Elkins (32:11.041)
Yeah, I love that.

Jason Elkins (32:16.939)
Yeah. That’s very cool. It young people in Ethiopia, is it common for them to even think about a career in tourism? Probably hospitality, but as far as like, do kids there grow up thinking I want to be a someday? mean, is that a common thought or is it is I’d love to just touch on that a little bit about, you know, the opportunities for people. Cause you specifically mentioned helping get opportunities for women.

to get into this business that is not always, you know, it’s kind of a traditionally male dominated field, honestly. So let’s talk about becoming a guide in Ethiopia. that what has to happen? Is that a real, is that considered a real job there?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (33:03.657)
Yes, definitely. Particularly people who live in the historical sites or on the sites where tourists frequently go, like Bahardar, Gondar, Lalibela and elsewhere. Just like you said, from their childhood they started to acquaint themselves with the tourists and they will be carried away.

to involve themselves in tourism. If you go to Lalibela, the number of guides available in that area is amazing because Lalibela is one of the highlights of the country and the most visited place as a tourist attraction. So, is a profession, by the way. We do have also schools where guides

or tour consultants are trained. now tourism is taking over in terms of creating opportunities, job opportunities for many. There are number of hotels. The number of hotels in Ethiopia is growing, particularly in the capital city. So accordingly, young people are not involved in tourism.

And it’s a good business by the way, being a guide is not an easy thing especially now. So yeah, yeah, there are, there are. And they do have also associations, guide association within the capital city, also in each and every attractions in the destinations. So they are solidified and you know, they are growing themselves.

Jason Elkins (34:35.265)
I know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the reason.

Jason Elkins (34:56.345)
Okay. Cause it’s, cause there’s cultural differences obviously between different parts of the world and some parts of world to be a guide as like, you’re a, you’re a guide. mean, you like the community really respects that and looks up to that.

And the guides sometimes kind of know it. remember I lived in Belize for a while managing a lodge and our fishing guides were like celebrities, you know, they, at the end of the week, they’d put on their nice shoes and their gold chains and they’d go back to town and, people were like, Ooh, they, really respected them and looked up to them. And then there’s other communities and cultures where, well, I remember when I

told my family I wanted to be a fishing guide. They didn’t think that was that cool. It wasn’t like, wow, that’s a great job. It was like, Jason, what are you doing? But it sounds like in Ethiopia, that’s a respected role in the community, especially in a tourism area around tourist sites, right?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (35:36.587)
Hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (35:54.966)
You know, I told you I used to work for the government. Immediately after I graduated from the university, I used to work for the government known as the National Tour Operation. At that time, there were female guides, but the female guides weren’t able to conduct their job because of the way the society was looking at them was in a different place.

Jason Elkins (35:59.256)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (36:21.977)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (36:22.815)
The moment that I started my company, the main reason why I hired a female guide is one, there is no one as much as a female guide that knows the community and is able to explain, you know, marriage, births, name it. So now, the number of, of course, the number of female guide is a bit limited, but right now,

There is no distinction between a female and a male. Previously, they were discriminated. But as I said, being a female guide, I’m not saying that they are more knowledgeable than the male. But for example, if a female guide talks to you about births, know, wedding, you will take it from the female.

rather than the male. So for me it is very, very important increasing the female guides. And of course we do have very knowledgeable male as well as female guides. And I hope one of these days you will have one of the guides, a female and a male guide in your podcast.

Jason Elkins (37:43.863)
Yes. No, absolutely. I think it’s such an important part of the conversation and there is differences. You know, I’ve had had guests on the show that similar to yourself, they’re they’re all female guides or their whole company is females and some of them only all their clients are females. It’s just a different dynamic. And I think it’s really cool. And so for the example of a female guide like you were talking about, you know, they’re going to discuss things, different subjects.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (38:04.17)
Mm.

Jason Elkins (38:13.699)
But in my opinion, from my perspective, female guides can be really good at connecting. Not that guys aren’t, men can be as well. But women tend to be a little bit more connected to the community. They are probably more likely to know every woman that lives with, know, within a half a mile of where they live, because they’re all just connected. They’re interconnected. And,

I think it’s very, it’s a generalization, but guys sometimes are into things and women are sometimes into people. So, you know, I, yeah, I think it’s totally different experience. so I’m happy we brought that up.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (38:55.946)
And she said, let me tell you this, this is a female guide, right now she lives in Colorado, her name is Mahalit. She is an amazing guide. You know, a couple of times she told me her experience. She said, if a couple came to visit, she said she will never dare to, you know, to connect with the male. She said she, I…

Jason Elkins (39:22.029)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (39:24.746)
totally put my concentration on the female, on the wife or girlfriend, it. And then she said, once I feel confident that she’s okay talking to the partner, she will do that. The thing is, the psychology of women is totally different, totally different. So, you know, and…

Jason Elkins (39:28.089)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (39:37.677)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (39:45.421)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (39:51.339)
the ability to solve problem. Of course the male guides also do that, but the female, to solve the problem is instantly. Right there, she has solved the problem.

Jason Elkins (40:07.425)
Yep. I get that. The guide that you mentioned that lives in Colorado, is she from Ethiopia? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That’s and you know what that brings up? Like I remember when I was guiding, you know, I was guiding fishermen mostly. I’ve done a few other things, but spent most of my time guiding fishermen and oftentimes a couple would join us. And it was what you described like, that’s different. That’s a different perspective than what I had.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (40:13.266)
Right now, yes, she’s, yeah, from Ethiopia. Yeah, yeah.

Jason Elkins (40:37.687)
because oftentimes it’s very stressful, I think, for a woman to be in a fishing boat with two men, one that she’s married to and one that she doesn’t know that thinks he knows everything about fishing or whatever. And it can be very intimidating for the woman in that situation, where if there was a woman, a female guide, I actually think everybody would have more fun.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (40:48.554)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (41:01.598)
Hmm. Hmm.

Jason Elkins (41:04.249)
So, and I don’t know if that’s the same when you’re with a small group in Ethiopia or whatever, but it’s, yeah, it’s just a totally different dynamic.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (41:12.446)
By the way, in tourism, the role of women is extraordinary because women are very detailed. as you know, the work in tourism, is some, you cannot, that minor mistakes brings a major one. you know, I have, my colleagues are, most of them are, the tour consultant are female and their work is extraordinary and meticulous.

Jason Elkins (41:41.593)
Yeah. Well, and I do believe again, this is a generalization. think, I think women are generally a little bit better at picking up clues from people, you know, emotional, like they they’re more likely to see a frown on somebody’s face or, or appreciate that maybe this person in the group is unhappy about something or is, is lost, confused or whatever, where guys sometimes just

Samrawit Moges Beyene (42:04.468)
Hmm.

Jason Elkins (42:10.049)
Okay, let’s go. And, and if you can’t keep up, you can’t keep up where women are just so much better at, Hey, is everything okay? Or, you know, figuring things out and, and picking up the clues that maybe somebody in the group needs to go to the bathroom. And the male guides are the male guides. have to say, Hey, Jason, my wife needs to go to the bathroom where, where a female guide would be like, Hey, this looks like this is a good.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (42:17.62)
Psychology.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (42:25.706)
Correct!

Jason Elkins (42:38.617)
time to take a quick little break and if anybody needs to there’s a bathroom right there. They’re much more likely to do that than men in general. Again, generalization but yeah, yeah very very cool.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (42:44.074)
Yeah, yeah, this guide I told you, Mahalit, she also said, you sometimes I look at them and say, I haven’t seen you drinking water. Don’t you need to have a drink? Yeah. But there are male guides as well who are very careful with their clients. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Elkins (42:56.715)
Yeah, yeah.

Jason Elkins (43:04.587)
Of course. Yes, of course. And I like to think I was as well, but the drinking water thing is an interesting thing. they, the guys, you have to be around women or guide for a while before you start to realize that most, most women don’t drink enough water because they don’t want to have to go to the bathroom. You know, and, I finally figured out when I was guiding in the morning, as I would pull her aside, I would explain the plan. I was like, look,

Samrawit Moges Beyene (43:11.892)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (43:24.227)
I know, yeah, that is true, that is true.

Jason Elkins (43:34.765)
We’re gonna have plenty of places to stop. I’m gonna point those out as we go. I’m gonna check in with you. So trust me, you will be able to use a toilet. So please drink water. And they’re like, okay, I’m really happy you told me that. Water’s a thing. I wanna get, you mentioned that you worked for the government and then started the business, but I wanna.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (43:41.343)
I know.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (43:45.64)
Yeah. True. This is a quality. Right, right, right, right.

Jason Elkins (44:02.147)
wanna make sure we take some time to really kind of understand your story. We’ve talked a lot about Ethiopia and guiding and all this really cool stuff, let’s, how the heck did we get to this point? what were you, tell us about your childhood. Tell us about all the crazy trauma stuff that happened that caused you to get into tourism. I shouldn’t call it trauma, but what was going on when you were a young girl?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (44:26.42)
You know, my father used to be a police general during the emperor time and my mother was… Yes, that was during the emperor time and my mother was a dedicated housewife. And due to the work of my father, we were moving from one city to the other and…

Jason Elkins (44:33.911)
You said you said police general. OK, got it.

Jason Elkins (44:45.667)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (44:55.882)
Do you know how many schools I joined in my life? 14 schools between high school and elementary. The only institution that I completed in stable way was the Addis Ababa University. So my parents believed in education. There is no discrimination between a man, a female and a male.

Jason Elkins (45:02.457)
14

Samrawit Moges Beyene (45:25.942)
And we had a very supportive family. We lost my father when we were very young. It was my mother who brought us. And my mother was also into very much education and religion. So to make it short, when I joined the Addis Ababa University at that time, even if you have

very good grades, you were not able to select which faculty you want to join. So my first choice was to be a lawyer. But they put me in foreign language and literature where I studied journalism. And when I graduated, it was during the communist regime, and working as a journalist was not any job because you have to follow whatever the government is telling you.

Jason Elkins (46:24.633)
Yeah, right. It’s not quite journalism. It’s repeating.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (46:25.49)
And the other thing is, and what makes also very unique is, after I graduated from the university at that time, we have to draw a lottery in order to join the office that we are working. By chance, I was able to join.

the Ethiopian Tourism Commission. At that time it was a commission. And they told me to be a teacher at the institute where there is a training school for tourism. I said, no, I will not work as a teacher because I didn’t take any education course. The only thing that I did is real journalism. they…

They assigned me to this company, the National Tour Operation. As I said, it was a communist regime and it used to be a sole tour operator in the country. All other private tour operators were nationalized. So I joined the National Tour Operation and luckily I had the most wonderful bosses where it was just like a training school for me.

where I was able to get exposure in tourism and attended many conferences. I was able to travel and they were my mentors. So when in 1991, when there was a government change, private ownership was allowed and I was able to establish my company Travel Ethiopia. But I did it through

My late husband, Thomas Matanovich, originally he is from Serbia, but he was more Ethiopian than myself. He speaks about nine lang. Because he came to Ethiopia with his parents, his father, mother, and his brother when he was 13. And the emperor gave him…

Jason Elkins (48:32.525)
What do you wait a minute? What do mean by that?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (48:49.321)
gave them the family, the Ethiopian citizenship. So, you know, he speaks Amharic, Oromina, and Anuac. I only speak one language, local language, and six other European languages. So, Thomas was a force behind me to establish this company. know, he has, Thomas is a person who comes up with amazing ideas.

Jason Elkins (48:59.993)
Okay. huh.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (49:17.895)
But he was not the implementer, so I was the one who was implementing and running the show.

Jason Elkins (49:24.195)
That’s usually how it works. If you’ve got a good couple that work well together, you’ve got business partners or just in many areas of life, you have an idea person and then you have a doing person that actually makes it happen. Because if you rely on the idea person to do it, it’s probably not going to get done in my experience. don’t know.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (49:47.687)
Yeah, that’s very true. one thing, Jason, I tell you, working together as a couple is not easy. Not at all. Not easy. Yeah. Yeah. But one of the things that really helped is Thomas was not only working in the office, but he used to take VIP clients along with him. And he has an amazing…

Jason Elkins (49:56.376)
I know, I’ve done it, yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (50:16.207)
knowledge about the country to be honest. As I said he’s more Ethiopian than he is white but he is a real real Ethiopian that loves his country and the combination really helped us because he speaks you know as I said six foreign languages and he was able to accompany German clients, French clients, name it so that has really helped the company to grow.

Jason Elkins (50:23.395)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (50:39.031)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (50:45.495)
Well, I imagine he was involved in, you know, outreach to different tour operators in these different countries, maybe trade shows. can imagine having that language skill and the knowledge of Ethiopia. What a great combination for growing a business. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. How many siblings, how many siblings do you have? Did you have growing up? Like, was it a big family?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (50:45.895)
and

Samrawit Moges Beyene (50:54.663)
Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, yeah. So I…

Samrawit Moges Beyene (51:09.309)
Yes, we are eight in the family. Eight. No, this is not my kid. No, no, I said I have four sisters and three brothers.

Jason Elkins (51:11.777)
Eight, wow, eight kids? Wow.

No. Right. There were eight there were eight kids in the family and you’re in your family. OK. Yeah. Wow. That’s. And you.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (51:23.465)
And correct, correct. Yes, and I lost recently my mother, I recently my brother, but it’s a family that’s really, really very, very, very close and support each other.

Jason Elkins (51:38.977)
Yeah, yeah. Are any of your siblings working in tourism or have an interest in it? No, just you.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (51:44.457)
No, no, have a sister who runs her own business. Did you know what our staple food, injera, have you ever tried it?

Jason Elkins (51:59.545)
Is it similar to, uh, it Oogali that they eat in, in Kenya? No. Okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (52:04.201)
No, no, no, no, no, It is like the Indians have chapati. We have injera. It’s a big, it looks like a kind of big pancake. It is made out of a gullet and free cereal called teff. So yeah, my sister ex-

Jason Elkins (52:11.564)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (52:19.147)
Mm-hmm. yeah, yeah, yeah. I do know what you, yeah. I have had, I’ve actually been to Ethiopian restaurant a couple times. It was very, yeah, I like that, yeah. Yeah, it’s good.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (52:28.679)
Yeah, then yeah, my sister is exporting that product to Europe and the US and Middle East as well.

Jason Elkins (52:39.149)
Let’s share with our listeners. Let’s, let’s discuss that a little bit more with our listeners, because actually I remember going the first time to an Ethiopian restaurant in Manhattan and it was a different experience. Probably not as authentic as it is in Ethiopia. know that. but it’s, I, I think it said something about the culture. So can you describe what this is, how it’s served and how it’s enjoyed to give people kind of a glimpse into Ethiopian culture?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (53:08.307)
You know, if we talk about the food, the variety of the food that we have, it’s uncountable, to be honest. Each region has got its own cultural food. Each region has got its own music, dance. that is the main thing. If you talk about the injera, right now,

Jason Elkins (53:15.715)
We’ll have to do a few more episodes.

Jason Elkins (53:27.531)
Mm-hmm. Okay, fair enough.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (53:37.245)
The powder is, I think, it is available in Europe, also in America, because it is a gluten-free product, where many diabetes are able to eat it. So it’s getting very popular in the entire. People are using it not to make it in Jera, but they use it for pancake and other things to make it. But preparation.

Jason Elkins (53:46.649)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (53:51.459)
Mmm.

Jason Elkins (54:01.899)
Is it a grain? Is it a grain or a cereal? Okay, yeah, all right.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (54:04.4)
Yeah, it is cereal. It is a good grain. Yes, very tiny cereal. You know, it looks like chia seed.

Jason Elkins (54:11.628)
Okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (54:13.126)
That is the kind of thing. But the preparation of injera is totally, it’s not easy. We have got our own kind of pan that we make injera. And we use different kind of sauce to eat that. We have vegetarian, vegan sauce. have meat and Ethiopians enjoy also meat so much.

like tartar sauce, tartar, people eat raw meat. Right now it’s a fasting season in Ethiopia for Easter. We fast two solid months. And immediately for Easter you see a lot of cows slaughtered, know, name it. So that is the time where people eat a lot of meat. But unless you come, I want to after we finish this just Google and see how Ethiopia.

Jason Elkins (55:00.781)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Elkins (55:09.827)
Book book my flight go to everything. The open airlines book a flight today. I would love it. I would yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (55:16.712)
and see the kind of food that we are using. mean, it’s one thing that makes us very similar with the Indians. The Indians use their fingers to eat, right? The same thing. Yeah, we are eating. Yeah, we use our own fingers to eat. It is something extraordinary where you don’t find anywhere else in the world.

Jason Elkins (55:29.143)
Yeah, I was hoping you were going to touch on that because it is a special part. Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (55:45.798)
the way we eat it, you know, there is a feeding time where we feed each other, we call it gursha. I wish you come and experience it yourself,

Jason Elkins (55:54.477)
Yeah.

It sounds much better experience to go there and have that with you. The restaurant in New York was fun. The impression it left on me was just that, you know, there’s a big platter with the pancake and, you know, the toppings on a bunch of different toppings. And you sit there with your group and you all eat from the same plate with your hands. I don’t remember feeding each other. Say, I miss that. That’s what I miss by not actually going there. Right.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (56:01.733)
Absolutely.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (56:17.413)
Exactly.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (56:21.446)
Yeah, that is the real tradition here.

Jason Elkins (56:24.887)
But it was, I and my kids were pretty young and it was just, was fun for all of us to sit there and do that. That was a new experience for us. But more importantly, just a new experience is there’s a reason this is a cultural thing. This is a talk about sharing a meal. Like that’s on a different level, right? You, when you sit down and you’re dipping in and you take a piece of the pancake, wrap it around some meat and you’re sitting there eating it with your hand and you’re doing it together. It’s, just a different experience than, you know,

Samrawit Moges Beyene (56:40.178)
You see? Yeah.

Jason Elkins (56:55.031)
You go to a restaurant in the States and everybody orders their own thing. And, you know, maybe there’s some sharing going on, but it’s, just a, it says something about the culture. And I love that.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (57:05.952)
I would like to share one important thing, you said, sharing. You know, if you go to one of the poorest person’s house, you will not come out without having something. If that person has a piece of bread, he will offer you. For me, the cultural shock was that, you know, in Europe or in America, you go to some place, people will not invite you.

Jason Elkins (57:09.677)
Please.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (57:34.525)
They will have their own meal, eating by themselves, but you simply look at them. In Ethiopia, it is a must that you offer people. Let us eat together. So sharing in Ethiopia is one of the most important culture. Name it from the high class to the low. The poorest of the poor will offer you something. You will not leave his or her house without having a cup of coffee.

Jason Elkins (57:41.262)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (58:04.666)
or a piece of bread. So sharing in Ethiopia, meat sharing is very, very traditional and normal. If you don’t do that, wow, people will be upset. Yeah, absolutely.

Jason Elkins (58:13.879)
Yeah, what’s wrong with you? And that was, and I think that’s what made the impression when I had that experience was it was so clear. It was so, yeah, it was so clear that it brings you all together around one plate or whatever you want to platter. I don’t know. I’m sure there’s a term for it, but yeah, it’s just so anyway, I appreciate you. Appreciate you sharing that. Kind of on a related note about sharing, you had a pretty large family.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (58:21.596)
the plot of tree eating together. Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (58:29.978)
Yeah! Yeah!

Jason Elkins (58:42.125)
You mentioned that your father passed when you were pretty young and you mentioned that your mother really was, a housewife, but took care of the family and you moved quite a bit. So I want to dig a little bit deeper into that. Cause I imagine that must’ve been very challenging for your mother.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (59:00.922)
Absolutely. You know, she was what, maybe 40 or 39 years old when my father passed away. And she was a housewife where she didn’t have exposure, simply managing the house. But my mother is a very, very special person. I remember when

They were invited to different places when my father was alive and she said they hired a teacher for her to learn English because whenever she is meeting foreigners she was not able to communicate. she is, as much as she is religious, she also really is into education, you know, changing herself.

Jason Elkins (59:46.595)
Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (59:57.468)
But one of the main challenges she faced was, you know, my father passed away naturally. But immediately after the year when the communist regime took over, I don’t know how much you know, about 60 people were executed. Yeah, the ministers. And luckily my father was not part of it. But my father, just a year…

Jason Elkins (01:00:17.689)
Okay. Wow.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:00:26.693)
before he passed away, he came up with a book. He wrote a history of the police, the entire Ethiopian police history. And immediately, my mother was taken to the court. They created something. And that was the first exposure for her to be in the court with the lawyer. But she won the case.

Jason Elkins (01:00:34.368)
wow.

Jason Elkins (01:00:55.767)
What helped me understand she ended up when the communist regime took over, she ended up, they had charges against her because of a book your father wrote.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:00:56.359)
She easily.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:01:06.395)
because of the book, yes, they said, you know, the communist regime is totally against the emperor time, the kingdom, you know. So.

Jason Elkins (01:01:17.721)
Sure.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:01:21.297)
Here, my father wrote the history of the Polish history. And it is related to the emperor. It is related to the previous government. So this is not something that are interesting them. So they created a story and they took her to the court. But she won the case. That was the time, you know, that was the time where she really came out.

Jason Elkins (01:01:26.263)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:01:49.576)
to the, she came out to the world, the real world and to challenge there. One thing that I really, really also appreciate about my mom, as you said, it was a very difficult time because all our properties were nationalized. You know, she has to depend on the pension of my father because they used to have number of houses where they were able to.

Jason Elkins (01:01:52.231)
cool. Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:02:17.755)
you know, to economically use it. But as it was nationalized, everything was nationalized, I remember after some time when I joined the university and I was in second year, but I see my mother struggled, know. My sisters were very young and I decided to join Ethiopian Airlines to be a flight attendant. So…

I went through the process and I told my mom I thought that I’m going to have a big hug. You know what?

It was not to my expectations. She said, what? You are going to quit your education? I told her, you have. She said, no. Just proceed. What makes me happy is seeing you graduated from the university. And thanks to her, you know, it is, it is, yes, you know, my current, my current achievement is because of my mom.

Jason Elkins (01:03:19.225)
stuck with it.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:03:27.823)
not only on this education but she really took care of my kids. I have two kids, a boy and a girl, Christian and Hannah. Christian studied animal science. graduated from Edinburgh College. Right now he is working for African Park in South Sudan. And my daughter…

Jason Elkins (01:03:28.163)
Yeah.

Jason Elkins (01:03:44.898)
wow.

Jason Elkins (01:03:51.469)
Wow, okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:03:55.208)
is working for her PhD. She has joined the University of Colorado and she’s studying pharmacy.

Jason Elkins (01:04:05.443)
So if you had gone to be a flight attendant for an airline that you clearly love, we’ve discussed that a few times. But if you had dropped out of school to be a flight attendant, do you think any, think, yeah, yeah, right. And we don’t, yeah. But it’s so interesting because there’s, I had a lot of conversations on the show with people that.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:04:12.465)
No. Yes.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:04:20.807)
I wouldn’t be in tourism. No. Thanks to my mom.

Jason Elkins (01:04:32.461)
were doing something in school they hated and they did drop out and then, and it worked out really well for them and their parents encouraged them along the way. So we don’t know, but it’s, it’s always, yeah, it’s, yeah, I know I can, I can, I can see that I’m happy for you. That’s, your mom sounds very special. You’ve mentioned the way you mentioned something got me curious because you’ve mentioned that your mom was very religious.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:04:37.975)
Exactly. Yeah. We don’t know. But I’m happy where I am now.

Jason Elkins (01:04:59.161)
Or that religion was important. I don’t want to put words in your mouth. But then you said something about it was although she was very religious. She was also very Felt that education was very important. And then I wonder if there’s a conflict

I’m just curious why you said mention religion in the same sentence as education. Was there some sort of challenge or conflict that made that stand out in your mind?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:05:29.913)
No, no, no. Before I jump into what you just mentioned, I would like you to know Ethiopia is a country where religion is very important. You know, we have a major two religions, Christianity and Muslim. But amazingly, Muslims as well as Christians live in this country harmoniously.

Jason Elkins (01:05:58.265)
Great. That’s important. I’m happy to mention that. Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:05:59.002)
each respect their religion. I only mention about the historical sites of the attractions, but we do have many attractions of the Muslim as well. We do have Nagash in the northern part of the country. We do have the sophomore. So the attractions, as much as there are religious, Christianity,

The Muslims as well are number of attractions that exist in the country. You know, in the previous time, not in our time, but in the previous time, if people are religious, like most parents would like their children to serve the church rather than going to education. But this doesn’t exist anymore. This doesn’t exist anymore.

Jason Elkins (01:06:50.795)
All right, okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:06:55.611)
People can follow any religion but educate themselves as well.

Jason Elkins (01:07:01.273)
Great, I appreciate it. Yeah, so now what I’m hearing you saying, even though traditionally at that time, religious people tended to want their kids to focus on supporting the church, but my mom, although she was very religious, she believed that we should go to school and get an education. Is that kind of?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:07:18.043)
Yeah, no, what I’m saying is, the previous time, like, I don’t know, maybe I don’t know, 100 years, people who serve, parents who are religious would like their children to be in the church rather than going to educate themselves. But this has changed totally, totally.

Jason Elkins (01:07:26.517)
Okay.

Jason Elkins (01:07:43.065)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Very, very cool. I get that. When the communist regime took over, what did that do to religion for a while? they manage to, because in some communist societies, like the religion is no longer allowed type of thing. What was that like in Ethiopia? Because it’s such an important thing in Ethiopia.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:08:04.58)
no right for religion. You don’t have any right for religion, particularly if there were, you know, religious people, for example, are party member, they cannot attend church, they cannot baptize their children. So religion at that time was a taboo where one cannot.

Jason Elkins (01:08:25.811)
You said if they were, you said if they’re a party member, what does that mean? Was that, was that, but it was that an option? Could you just not be a party member or is everybody in the country? What is that?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:08:30.287)
if they belong to the party.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:08:36.615)
I was not a party member. You don’t have to be. If you want, can be a party member, but sometimes they might impose on you to be a party member.

Jason Elkins (01:08:40.601)
Okay.

Jason Elkins (01:08:49.881)
Okay, so if you’re a business leader or somebody they think is important, maybe not a business leader, but yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:08:51.259)
Yeah, you know, every government, every government, yeah, every government has its own party, right? So they will try to attract people to do as much, as many people as possible to join that party. But during the communist regime, you know, there is a special class that you will take and you will not be promoted unless…

You are a party, there are privileges that you get when you are a party member, yeah.

Jason Elkins (01:09:21.141)
Okay, got it. Got it as opposed to somebody that’s just kind of off doing their thing and doesn’t play along and doesn’t want to participate. They maybe don’t have to be in the party, but if they want to, if they want to be successful. Yeah. did you, you mentioned that your mom had the pension from your father. Did that go away when the communists took over? She

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:09:30.535)
Correct.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:09:44.891)
No, no, no, no. The pension was there, yeah. What goes away at that time, you know, people were having big houses where they rented as income, but everything was nationalized. You can imagine.

Jason Elkins (01:09:57.335)
Okay, but she, but yeah. Wow. I can’t imagine. That must be, yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:10:02.108)
Yeah, that was tough, tough. And you know, it was at that time the brain drain in Ethiopia started. Many educated people flee and started going to Europe or America where we lost so many intellectuals.

Jason Elkins (01:10:23.085)
Did I just ask you, did it occur to you at any point to leave?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:10:28.175)
Not me, my sister, she is my elder sister, her name is Gannet. went to Djibouti via, from Dredow, she walked to Djibouti on foot. And it is from there where she had asylum and went to the States.

Jason Elkins (01:10:48.185)
Okay.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:10:58.435)
My cousins, many people have left the country. The main reason that I wasn’t able to leave was because of my mom. you know, yeah, she was very young when my father passed away. And a very beautiful person, lady, she could have married. And she really sacrificed her life for us. So I have to pay back. And I stayed.

Jason Elkins (01:11:26.647)
What a beautiful tribute. Wow. You’ve got quite a story. This has been a fascinating conversation. We’ve covered a lot of things. I want to make sure that we don’t miss anything. So, what did I forget to ask you? What do you what do you wish that we could discuss a little bit more before we wrap up or share with our audience about Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiopia or your family?

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:11:52.048)
No, the thing is, one, I wanted the world to know that Ethiopia is not only poverty. Ethiopia is not only drought. That has been that past, that incident was in the 1970s. you remember Jonathan Gimbilwe, the one who exposed the situation to the world. I’m not saying that Ethiopia

is not a poor country. We are one of the poorest countries in the world. things are changing. it’s not only poverty, but Ethiopia, particularly in the tourism sector, stands out in many, ways. as I said earlier, we have to promote our country in any way we can.

maybe by also having offices like Ethiopian Airlines, because one of the success for Ethiopian Airlines is having offices all over the world. And I believe that Ethiopia is a destination that needs to be visited. You know, as I said earlier, there is no country that we can say it’s 100 % safe. Right? So…

Jason Elkins (01:13:16.92)
Yeah.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:13:18.831)
just have a taste of Ethiopia. If you are a transit passenger, stay just for one night and see what Ethiopia offers. This is the message that I really wanted the world to know, that let them put Ethiopia at their next destination for a visit and they will have a world factor. This is what I can say.

Jason Elkins (01:13:44.333)
Wow. Very cool. I’m so happy we had this conversation. So now I get to share this with my mom. See mom, I told you. Yeah, yeah, you have represented your country so well on this program. Just a fascinating conversation. I’m so happy. For anybody that is listening to this and doesn’t get to see Sam Raweed’s face on the screen.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:13:51.557)
Hey yeah, please do!

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:13:55.897)
and show her also some videos.

Jason Elkins (01:14:13.805)
I think you can hear the passion in her voice, but take a moment, go over and watch the video version of this. the look on her face is just so energizing and the smile. I mean, like right now, find this moment, go watch this moment. She’s smiling ear to ear and it just makes me want to go share food with her. And culture and everything else. So, Sarah, thank you so much. This was a fascinating conversation and let’s do it again sometime.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:14:42.833)
Thank you very much for having me and giving me this chance. And my wish is for you to come and see it yourself,

Jason Elkins (01:14:49.997)
All right. Okay, so when I show up on your doorstep, don’t forget you invited me, okay? All right, thank you so much. I look forward to it. It’s gonna be fascinating. All right, we’ll talk to you soon.

Samrawit Moges Beyene (01:14:55.991)
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.

Likewise, likewise. Thank you. Sure. Bye.

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